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Old 03-17-2017, 12:03 PM
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...maybe they'll just buy Kalitta and the rest of 1224 while there at it.... ha
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:32 PM
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I think this will do several things

1. Will change the express market that has not changed much, Just grown in the last 20 years.
2. UPS/FedEx has largest shipping network but sells nothing. Amazon is the opposite. When they get their air and ground system up it will be bad for the two giants that don't have a platform to sell stuff (UPS FedEx).
3. They must morph into a Amazon type operation or die. FedEx has the talent, but UPS is the old slow dog that learns new tricks slowly and thats bad.
4. Amazon will spend whatever it takes to make this logistics operation work or at least get it started and wall street will support it.
5. The industry will change, how much, who changes and who dies is TBD.
6. If I was an young guy under 40 go to UAL/DAL/AA. Guys come to UPS and FedEx for the pay and pension. If the industry goes low cost it can not support such things.
7. Another possibility is that Amazon will buy and minority controlling share of UPS or FedEx (49%). I believe getting in bed with Amazon would be a great deal. They are the future of ecommerce and have a proven track record.
8. The old argument of "were will they get the pilots to fly the jets" does not hold water. People want to work for Amazon, even if its not Amazon. Can you imagine how many apps they would have if they started a airline that was truly company owned. People still believe you can get rich at a startup airline.
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Aryan View Post
You couldn't be more mistaken. All that will happen is SOME of the low yield, but high cube Amazon volume that was carried by FedEx/UPS will now be flown by Amazon contractors. The end result will be freeing up space on existing FedEx/UPS jets for much higher yielding volume without having to purchase additional jets.
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Good, I don't want anything bad to happen to either.
You two are just guessing and hoping.
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:53 PM
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You two are just guessing and hoping.
Not hoping. Informed commentary. ABX, on the other hand, better hope that they didn't permanently PO Amazon and that they will eventually fall back into their good graces so that they can get a piece of the action. Otherwise you may see Uncle Joe's favorite child switch from ABX to ATI.
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:54 PM
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Back home we call it ****ing in the wind! Best part of the equation is that innovators are taking over, Hooterville is history.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:29 PM
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Back home we call it ****ing in the wind! Best part of the equation is that innovators are taking over, Hooterville is history.
The Clinton County Port Authority tried to play Boss Hogg with Amazon and Bezos told them to FOAD.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:47 PM
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Back home we call it ****ing in the wind! Best part of the equation is that innovators are taking over, Hooterville is history.
?????????????
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WhenPigsFLy View Post
I think this will do several things

1. Will change the express market that has not changed much, Just grown in the last 20 years.
2. UPS/FedEx has largest shipping network but sells nothing. Amazon is the opposite. When they get their air and ground system up it will be bad for the two giants that don't have a platform to sell stuff (UPS FedEx).
3. They must morph into a Amazon type operation or die. FedEx has the talent, but UPS is the old slow dog that learns new tricks slowly and thats bad.
4. Amazon will spend whatever it takes to make this logistics operation work or at least get it started and wall street will support it.
5. The industry will change, how much, who changes and who dies is TBD.
6. If I was an young guy under 40 go to UAL/DAL/AA. Guys come to UPS and FedEx for the pay and pension. If the industry goes low cost it can not support such things.
7. Another possibility is that Amazon will buy and minority controlling share of UPS or FedEx (49%). I believe getting in bed with Amazon would be a great deal. They are the future of ecommerce and have a proven track record.
8. The old argument of "were will they get the pilots to fly the jets" does not hold water. People want to work for Amazon, even if its not Amazon. Can you imagine how many apps they would have if they started a airline that was truly company owned. People still believe you can get rich at a startup airline.
Well, Amazon makes up less than 10% revenue for UPS and less than, I think, 5 or 7% of revenue for FedEx. Losing the entire Amazon volume for either would make a dent but definitely not put either out of business. Both do a hell of a lot more than just ship online retail volume. And this paranoia assumes Amazon will never see any competition when if fact that competition is stirring and they will soon need lift of their own.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by WhenPigsFLy View Post
I think this will do several things
6. If I was an young guy under 40 go to UAL/DAL/AA. Guys come to UPS and FedEx for the pay and pension. If the industry goes low cost it can not support such things.
Not exactly roses in the pax world right now, Big 3, Norwegian...
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by WhenPigsFLy View Post
I think this will do several things

1. Will change the express market that has not changed much, Just grown in the last 20 years.
2. UPS/FedEx has largest shipping network but sells nothing. Amazon is the opposite. When they get their air and ground system up it will be bad for the two giants that don't have a platform to sell stuff (UPS FedEx).
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/07/technology/fedex-fulfillment-amazon/
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