CA Deplorable

Didnt know voluntary pay was offered. Just figured it was few guys threatened with their jobs if they didnt move metal.

b707guy

After all this time, it's the first I've heard of this. So, you "know" this how? Did JV tell you this himself? Did a crewmember who accepted it tell you that himself? Or did you think this one up all by yourself? Seems to me you're thoroughly enjoying the "three-way" from behind a cracked-open closet door.

PM me the source. I'll check myself and in confidence.

qiutong

Have those that chose to cross the line been 'blackballed' by the majority of ATI pilots that didn't cross the line, or is it just "business as usual", with no repercussions for their actions?

b707guy

Seriously? Why would an ATI pilot do that to their own? Get this through your thick skulls:

I've had enough of this crap. Time to call a spade "a spade". The November "picket line" was a DOTTED LINE at best, designed from the start to "force" ATI pilots into crossing, and you all know it. Did ATI pilots fly a "struck" route? NO. Did ATI pilots fly any "struck" freight? NO. Did any ATI pilot fly an aircraft that would have otherwise been flown by a striking pilot? NO. I claimed in a previous post that no ATI pilot would cross a picket line. Obviously, I was a tad naive in that, as I hadn't anticipated the childishness of the group involved in crafting a condition where we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. In the end, the temper tantrum was fully honored by fellow 1224 pilots (plus a few ATI pilots!), and I truly applaud that solidarity. I really do! The reasons behind it were absolutely legit! But those reasons weren't OUR FIGHT AT THE TIME! ALPA National called it. Our MEC called it. ABX's CBA was being VIOLATED. ATI's WASN'T. Our admittedly weak CBA, negotiated in a concessionary time, has been honored for the most part, and grieved when needed. ATI is in negotiations. ABX is in negotiations. Atlas/Southern is in negotiations. Kalitta has ratified a pretty nice CBA after half a decade+ of crap. Many feel that their CBA is short of what is deserved. I respect that! But it's still a hell of an improvement over what K4 pilots have endured! Who's next in raising the bar for this segment of the industry? It's up to ATI, and ABX, and Atlas/Southern. Hiding behind the anonymity of a clever screen name or a microphone in calling folk out is absolutely chicken excrement. Have at it. In solidarity.

motorclutch

Too damn funny....1224 forced the scabs to scab! Bent logic indeed!

Kougarok

Yeah I was just thinking that. It's all our fault for defending our contract and profession?

b707guy

Thanks for proving my point. Snickering away childishness is just that: Childish. As I said: damned if you do, damned if you don't. At the hands of children. Good luck.

motorclutch

Children have more integrity than scabs. I just proved my point.

l8fr82hub

ABX crews on strike????

qiutong

I based my question on a comment posted earlier, I assumed by an ATI pilot, that the whole group (ATI pilots) should not be labeled because of the actions of a few, implying that the few, had crossed the line and scabbed themselves. If the group disagrees with "the few", they should impose some kind of repercussions to discourage future violations of a picket line and jeopardizing the reputation (within the industry) of the whole group.