pilot0987

Just trying to understand what your telling people. So after your company gets a new contract you will be leaving due to a bad career choice?

captainv

If it's the contract management wants, YES.

JonnyKnoxville

The company is suing the pilot group to prevent us from negotiating a new contract that we can vote on. IF they win, this place will be worse than any airline in U.S. airline industry, past or present. The company will have effectively beaten the Railway Labor Act. They will be able to dictate terms to us and there is nothing we will be able to do about it. They will have gained this power, not only for this contract, but for all future contracts too.

So, yes, we are all leaving if they win the lawsuit against the pilots. The only pilots here that say otherwise simply do not understand the gravity of the situation we are in yet. They too will be heading out the door once the light bulb turns on.

How would you like to work for an airline where your union never gets to fairly negotiate a contract?

How would you like to work for an airline where you never get to vote on a contract and all contractual terms are dictated to you by management?

How would you like to work for an airline where you will never be able to strike if need be?

727C47

You can earn the long haul intl. T shirt at K4 for better money on the 747 or 767, better work rules, less days worked , true home basing , and no imputed income , they are actively hiring. Best of luck to all especially our brothers in arms at Atlas.

Omnipotent

Will you quit if you don't have another flying job lined up? It's easy to boast that I'll burn the house down and leave while you have a job, it's another thing totally to just walk away and be left unemployed.

If Atlas management wins the lawsuit, do you think the other 1224 carriers would support a sympathy strike and/or give you preferential interviews if you do decide to quit?

What do you think the chances of Atlas management winning the lawsuit?

Good luck to your pilot group.

CargoPirate

Preferential interviews. NO

Interviews. Yes

Strike NO

But even the young RJ guys won't come to Atlas in high numbers if we don't get a decent contract.

People are coming to Atlas based on the reputation THEY HAD. Not on the current facts of the situation. We are trying to get the real and current facts out in the open.

Management Tools are trying to disrupt that effort and confuse the situation so the message is muddled.

Unfortunately the only way we can get management to the table is if they can't fill the seats. If that happens then they either shrink the airline drastically or they actually bargain a new contract.

itsjustajob

Another aspect worth considering:

"This week, we resume the fight against the company’s underhanded attempt to change the CBA strike language. On Thursday, April 13, a hearing with Arbitrator Kasher takes place in Washington, DC. As you may recall from previous messages, after more than five years, Atlas and the rest of the DHL carriers in Local 1224, have simultaneously and in concert mounted an attempt to prevent another strike by any one of the DHL contractor properties. It is a clear signal of bad intent towards labor by DHL management and the puppet contractors Atlas Air, Southern Air, and ABX that they manipulate. We will keep you up to date as this anti-labor tactic unfolds here at Atlas. Purchase management clearly prefers to handcuff labor to further delay any type of true negotiation."

www.ATLASFACTS.org

Egg320

Where have all the pilots gone? How a looming shortage may curtail e-commerce | Air Cargo World

DC8DRIVER

If you still don't know what we're trying to tell you, then nothing I can say will help you at this point.

Virtually every Atlas pilot posting on these boards has the same message: Atlas BAD.

You can argue semantics and the outsiders point of view all you want, but ours is the message from inside. We can't stop you from applying at Atlas if you choose to ignore our warnings, but I think the message is pretty clear.

747 and 767 captains are leaving Atlas.

From October to the current seniority list, there have been 8 new hire classes and a total net gain of 8 pilots.

We are being sued by the company.

Our right to honor picket lines has been taken to court in an effort to weaken our union.

If you still don't understand, you aren't paying attention.

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Globemaster2827

Funny thing... Not many airlines fly cargo 747s.... UPS...