Screwed

Many of us are trying! It's not easy!

zerozero

I'm an Atlas pilot.
I love my job.
But I resent the games played by my employer that force us into these counter productive activities.

I think you're missing one part of the equation. You have the first part (attrition is just one choke point on the operation). And you have the last part (the senior guys are hoping for max leverage so they don't have to sacrifice 15-20 years of seniority and start all over again in their 50s. Who can blame them for that?).

The part you're missing is the cynical implication that the senior guys really DOUBT our ability to secure a competitive CBA and THEREFORE do care about your career by essentially saying: "It's too late for me; SAVE YOURSELF." Care to guess why they're so old and cynical?

So it's really a question of faith. Because if you do the math, the numbers do no lie. Over 30 years you will do much better at any Legacy, UPS and FedEx. To say otherwise is the same as gambling, because you're putting your money on the dark horse.

Yes, there's a one in a million chance your gamble pays off. But given what we know right now, there is literally no comparison to a Legacy career vs. the same time spent at Atlas.

Good luck.

UPSet

Rumors on the UPS side of an Atlas buyout. It might become really easy!

JonnyKnoxville

Just because you post the same rumor on multiple threads doesn't make you're rumor any more true. Brown will not be buying Atlas Air.

B727DRVR

Probably true, but maybe for the better.

UPS is not FEDEX: Fedex has a history of buying and assimilating other airlines. In fact, Fred Smith once compared his merger mentality as assimilation like Peter the Great's where UPS is more scorched earth, plunder, and pillage Ghengis Khan's. Just ask the many pilots who flew for airlines that UPS acquired: Challenge Air Cargo, Orion, etc. Not only did they not get a seniority, they didn't even get interviews when UPS was hiring other pilots. It was the kiss of death to be a pilot at an airline that UPS acquired, much like it was for an American Eagle pilot who wanted to fly with American back in the day. Many of these pilots were even told to keep flying and even had a printed future seniority list with their name on it.. ''Keep flying and we'll get you on soon''. When the music stopped, no UPS job. There was a huge class action lawsuit that UPS finally settled with six figure settlements, better than nothing but a drop in the bucket compared to what could have been if UPS had lived up to their promises.

Be careful what you wish for. Given UPS's past history, you'd have a better chance applying from the street.

Boss Hoggin

........nice

Kilroy

What is the wait time to hear something after putting in the app.

Rolloutflare

Ask the Challenge Air Cargo pilots how well that worked out when UPS bought them.

UPSet

Most Challenge pilots were either scabs or 36th St. undesirables.

You could say they were "Challenged".

Riverside

You're better off at a regional.