Kalitta vs Atlas
#41
Atlas does not pay 6 hours a day for hostile areas. Atlas pays time and a half in and out of the zone.
#42
Why did the union allow ANY unpaid days on the road? That is ridiculous. If you are away from home you need to be paid. K4 is not a charity.
Is that another screw up by D.W. ? He fights to limit how long you can be on duty and make money, and then he approves unpaid days!
Is that another screw up by D.W. ? He fights to limit how long you can be on duty and make money, and then he approves unpaid days!
The 'unpaid days" are only unpaid in generating additional credit. The K4 guys are getting paid for those days.
#45
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#46
Like a reserve day, K4 pilots are paid in addition for reserve credits plus flight pay plus deadhead pay. If flight pay, plus deadhead plus reserve credits are above guarantee or line guarantee then you get paid the higher.
1/7's don't generate additional pay credits. They do not subtract pay in any way from line guarantee or line credit.
Its like an Atlas pilot flying in to his base on the first day and not receiving trip rig. They are still getting paid, just not getting rig for the day.
#47
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Hey, Atlas guys are, too! Did I just get a pay raise? I'm on a day off right now, and I am making guarantee this month, so I am getting paid for this day!
Well, wait a second. I could also volunteer to fly today, and make more money. Can K4 guys do that on a 1 in 7? Or are they required not to fly that day, and unable to make any additional money?
#48
By that logic, Kalitta guys are getting paid for days off.
Hey, Atlas guys are, too! Did I just get a pay raise? I'm on a day off right now, and I am making guarantee this month, so I am getting paid for this day!
Well, wait a second. I could also volunteer to fly today, and make more money. Can K4 guys do that on a 1 in 7? Or are they required not to fly that day, and unable to make any additional money?
Hey, Atlas guys are, too! Did I just get a pay raise? I'm on a day off right now, and I am making guarantee this month, so I am getting paid for this day!
Well, wait a second. I could also volunteer to fly today, and make more money. Can K4 guys do that on a 1 in 7? Or are they required not to fly that day, and unable to make any additional money?
Do you think you will get everything you and your negoiators want in your next contract?
#49
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I know the 1 in 7 isn't something you chose, it's something you ended up with. You made massive gains in your contract, and this isn't one of them. That's okay.
But don't be afraid to call a spade a spade. You (Lockheed) obviously aren't. 1 in 7s aren't paid days. They are a kick in the pants is what they are. Something that you will fix next time, no doubt.
But to defend that clause, to say that those are paid, that's just wrong. And arguably spreading management propaganda.
#50
By that logic, Kalitta guys are getting paid for days off.
Hey, Atlas guys are, too! Did I just get a pay raise? I'm on a day off right now, and I am making guarantee this month, so I am getting paid for this day!
Well, wait a second. I could also volunteer to fly today, and make more money. Can K4 guys do that on a 1 in 7? Or are they required not to fly that day, and unable to make any additional money?
Hey, Atlas guys are, too! Did I just get a pay raise? I'm on a day off right now, and I am making guarantee this month, so I am getting paid for this day!
Well, wait a second. I could also volunteer to fly today, and make more money. Can K4 guys do that on a 1 in 7? Or are they required not to fly that day, and unable to make any additional money?
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