maxjet

I would like to hear the other side in this. DC8Flyer?

Crusoe

What are you guys talking about? Have you been to the website forum lately? I just checked and the forum is still up - it's just kind of wilting on the vine as most folks seem to find FB more convenient.

And regarding the lawsuit...

>I am a retired 22 year Atlas pilot, but I do know how to read a lawsuit. - FR*Dog7 <

Really? Because you are agreeing with someone that clearly didn't have a good understanding of what it said or meant.

How much does trolling pay these days anyway?

4runner

I’ve never heard of any company that organizes itself into a holding company that bodes well for its employees.

akfrtdwg 57

I'm sure Flynn pays them with treats and pats on the head like good lap dogs.

suddenimpact

Yes, the forums are still visible at Atlas 1224. You can try to post to them, but the ExCo removed all the moderators that approve the posts so they can be seen by all the users. All posts have to be approved by a moderator first to be visible unlike here were a moderator only shows up when a complaint is made to the TOS by clicking one of these on the offending post.

You will note on the committee listings that moderators were removed. The only guys that can post now are about five committee chairs that have moderator privileges so they can pass a committee message quickly. I believe the SPC chair put up a picketing notice six days ago.

So I imagine the strategy by the ExCo is to let it wither and die due to their little subterfuge while not announcing what they have done to the membership.

As to the facebook page, the ExCo has purged a large number of members from it after the FPL amendment passed. It is technically not part of the union though it's pimped as such by one of the ExCo.

dutch747

This is very misleading. The EXCO and the courts ruling clearly state that the court will not rule on this and it (Whether we negotiate under Section 6 or under the Section 1.F.b.ii of the CBA) must be decided in arbitration.

JackStraw

Exactly. We didn’t lose the ruling..... yet. That loss will be handed to us many, many months from now. Then 2 years of arbitration.

suddenimpact

It took some searching, but I found the opinion and order. Kind of a shame they couldn't put it out with the Chairman's update. Here it is. You might want to right click for a new tab. It also has a downloadable PDF once there. The framework agreement you have to get yourself off the 1224 site.

I did jump the gun. Apologies. We now have to go to an arbiter to hear the company's grievance they filed, that we ignored, to determine amalgamation vs sect. 6. Looking around page 20, it looks like we even provided evidence for the company and shot ourselves in the foot on one of our arguments involving expiration from what the judge said.

So one more step that will probably provide the same outcome in the end judging from our record with arbitrations and the issue at hand. Only about another 9 to 12 months down the road for this arbitration pending the arbiters availability let alone the costs before even getting started with the remainder of neg. or amalgamation. I'm sure there will be no neg. movement during this time. Arbiters love billable hours and our Negotiators/ExCo love Union Business pay.

Considering the big players on the third floor are already packing their bags for retirement and only care about keeping the stock price up long enough to cash in on their options, I doubt our foot dragging technique will pay off for us against them. Maybe with their replacements looking at our timeline now.

PowderFinger

Yes it is.

LineUpNWait

There are a few on the line that share this sentiment, including myself!

I just have to laugh when they said on the Union Facebook page “in keeping with our policy of transparency” yeah right! Their mentality is your either with them or against them! You dare not speak against the moderators or else you’ll get booted off!