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Old 11-24-2018, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
I agree.
Home basing
Keeping all air miles
Keeping hotel points
Never crashpading
Being able to get a almost a month off simply by creative bidding without using any vacation time

A few ACMI’s are the best kept secret in the industry in my opinion. K4, Omni & now WGA
Shhh. Don't tell the douchenozzles.
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Old 11-27-2018, 01:57 PM
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....douchenozzles....
...that’s German for “awesome”, right?😜
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
I agree.
Home basing
Keeping all air miles
Keeping hotel points
Never crashpading
Being able to get a almost a month off simply by creative bidding without using any vacation time

A few ACMI’s are the best kept secret in the industry in my opinion. K4, Omni & now WGA

What the hell are you talking about? WGA is owned by the Neff's, nothing owned by the Neff's will be good. WGA is a bottom feeder getting flying nobody else wants to do. You are new to the ACMI world and need to talk less and listen to the guys that have been around the world a few hundred times.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:56 PM
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Why are they a bottom feeder?
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Old 11-27-2018, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by KA350Driver View Post
Why are they a bottom feeder?
Every ACMI is a bottom feeder, every single one. Some pay marginally better than others, each has their own advantages and disadvantages over other ACMI gigs, but by every single measure they are lightyears below the big 3 + UPS and FedEx. If you feel otherwise you’re kidding yourself. Better than a regional? Probably...if you live in a major cargo hub. If not, toss up.
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Old 11-27-2018, 08:44 PM
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Every ACMI is a bottom feeder, every single one. Some pay marginally better than others, each has their own advantages and disadvantages over other ACMI gigs, but by every single measure they are lightyears below the big 3 + UPS and FedEx. If you feel otherwise you’re kidding yourself. Better than a regional? Probably...if you live in a major cargo hub. If not, toss up.
Do you fly for an ACMI outfit, or is this vitriol borne of something more than arrogance, snobbery, and an overinflated sense of self?
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:03 PM
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Do you fly for an ACMI outfit, or is this vitriol borne of something more than arrogance, snobbery, and an overinflated sense of self?

I am a CA at a ACMI airline, and to a point he isn't wrong. I think most people would say ABX likely has the best CBA right now and I think they are on year 10 of their 5 year CBA, and it is light years behind UPS, FEDEX and the 121 Pax Airlines. So the best CBA is still not as good as Spirit let alone one of the big three.
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Originally Posted by be76flyer View Post
I am a CA at a ACMI airline, and to a point he isn't wrong. I think most people would say ABX likely has the best CBA right now and I think they are on year 10 of their 5 year CBA, and it is light years behind UPS, FEDEX and the 121 Pax Airlines. So the best CBA is still not as good as Spirit let alone one of the big three.
ACMI operations aren't UPS or FedEx. Best expressed as "duh."

Thank you ACMI Captain Obvious.

This does not make them "bottom feeders," nor those who work for them a lesser species.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
ACMI operations aren't UPS or FedEx. Best expressed as "duh."

Thank you ACMI Captain Obvious.

This does not make them "bottom feeders," nor those who work for them a lesser species.
They’re posturing for a new contract, so the sky is falling, and everyone in the industry is garbage. When it passes everything is right in the world. Rinse repeat.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Do you fly for an ACMI outfit, or is this vitriol borne of something more than arrogance, snobbery, and an overinflated sense of self?
I do and it is. Try not to take it so personally. I actually enjoy my job, and don’t think ACMI is the slave ship that it’s made out to be. But to say that any ACMI is the “best kept secret” or offers ANY advantage in QOL, compensation, retirement, vacation, scheduling, insurance, or travel benefits over the big 3 or UPS + FedEx is insane. Guys really think that because Atlas or Connie or WG buys you a $600 ticket to/from work every month that it is a better job than a non ACMI? You really think you can’t get 13 days off in a row anywhere but an ACMI carrier?
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