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Old 12-10-2017, 07:17 PM   #21  
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I know this "dude" and like him a great deal. The hopes that the Union wins the fight is not a for sure thing, as is nothing when you go into battle.
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I know this "dude" and like him a great deal. The hopes that the Union wins the fight is not a for sure thing, as is nothing when you go into battle.
I know and like both of you. That aside, the company is attempting to use him in a way that contravenes the contract. Up until recently his duties for the company were within the companies rights per the CBA. They now want to use him in a way that is expressly forbidden by our contract. I am confident that this will be nipped in the bud soon so that we don't end up with the mess you have at UPS.
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I know this "dude" and like him a great deal. The hopes that the Union wins the fight is not a for sure thing, as is nothing when you go into battle.
The leaprechaun says pay the fee troll.
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I understand that there was another pilot offered the same deal, but he elected to stay at AA. I do not believe the intent of the company is to replicate what UPS has done, just get these new guys done with IOE.
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I know of more than one being offered to return to K4. It has been almost thirty years of fighting that system and we are slowly gaining ground, but it caused us to have furloughs due to the replacement pilot mentality during 08, 09, and into 2010.
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:35 AM   #26  
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The leaprechaun says pay the fee troll.
I will buy you dinner one night and we can compare K4 stories. You can ask Ship, Sky, Lock, Scott or any of the old-timers how to get in touch with me.
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So let me get this straight.....there non union pilots doing what union pilots should be doing? And there are Kalitta union pilots ok with this? Is that accurate? One has to ask why they need non union pilots to do this work. Is it because the lca compensation sucks? If so then Kalitta needs to negotiate better lca compensation. If not then they need to train and compensate more lca’s. You better hope that the union puts a stop to this or it will get bigger and bigger.
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So let me get this straight.....there non union pilots doing what union pilots should be doing? And there are Kalitta union pilots ok with this? Is that accurate? One has to ask why they need non union pilots to do this work. Is it because the lca compensation sucks? If so then Kalitta needs to negotiate better lca compensation. If not then they need to train and compensate more lca’s. You better hope that the union puts a stop to this or it will get bigger and bigger.
Thank you so much for putting things into perspective for me. I will get right on that and should have this completely fixed by tomorrow.
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How many more does the company plan to hire? This could be a really bad thing for the pilot group. I hope the union shuts this down.
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I understand that there was another pilot offered the same deal, but he elected to stay at AA. I do not believe the intent of the company is to replicate what UPS has done, just get these new guys done with IOE.
So you think it's just going to be a two pilot deal and that will be the end of it? When and at what number will this violation of the CBA stop? If they offer it to two guys, what's to prevent them from offering it to twenty?
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So you think it's just going to be a two pilot deal and that will be the end of it? When and at what number will this violation of the CBA stop? If they offer it to two guys, what's to prevent them from offering it to twenty?
Both those guys had a long history of being instructors at K4 before getting recalled to AA. I believe this is a unique situation.
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