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Old 12-11-2017, 08:13 AM   #31  
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Not understanding what the big fuss is about here.

I see this in the contract, “Proficiency checks, Operating Experience and Line Checks, shall only be conducted by Crewmembers on the Crew Class Seniority Lists who the Company designates as Check Airmen.”

He is on the seniority list as an FO. The company has made him a check airman. End of story. He is management so he isn’t .even flying out of seniority.
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It’s in court. One person is not above the CBA.
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Not understanding what the big fuss is about here.

I see this in the contract, “Proficiency checks, Operating Experience and Line Checks, shall only be conducted by Crewmembers on the Crew Class Seniority Lists who the Company designates as Check Airmen.”

He is on the seniority list as an FO. The company has made him a check airman. End of story. He is management so he isn’t .even flying out of seniority.
You say he is an FO. If that's the case how do you explain the fact that he is out right now conducting revenue flights as a Captain?
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You say he is an FO. If that's the case how do you explain the fact that he is out right now conducting revenue flights as a Captain?
His seniority is that of an FO. He’s line captain qual working as LCA on management leave. You can’t check on management leave.

All this guys training pass/fail is going to get vacated and this is gonna turn into a ****ing mess with the FAA.

The juice wasent worth the squeeze. They should have just promoted from within and saved everyone the headache.
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Thank you so much for putting things into perspective for me. I will get right on that and should have this completely fixed by tomorrow.
Great. Thanks for doing that.
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His seniority is that of an FO. He’s line captain qual working as LCA on management leave. You can’t check on management leave.

All this guys training pass/fail is going to get vacated and this is gonna turn into a ****ing mess with the FAA.

The juice wasent worth the squeeze. They should have just promoted from within and saved everyone the headache.
So you are writing that the Chief Pilot, who is a management pilot is not able to check? He is an APD
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Being intentionally hired off the street and placed on mgmt leave is a hell of a lot different than holding a 119 position.

You must be one of our joyous -400 instructors.

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All this guys training pass/fail is going to get vacated and this is gonna turn into a ****ing mess with the FAA.
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How do you figure that?
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His seniority is that of an FO. He’s line captain qual working as LCA on management leave. You can’t check on management leave.

All this guys training pass/fail is going to get vacated and this is gonna turn into a ****ing mess with the FAA.

The juice wasent worth the squeeze. They should have just promoted from within and saved everyone the headache.
How does BR, and until a few months ago CE, SS, and SH do it then?
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How does BR, and until a few months ago CE, SS, and SH do it then?
Dude you really are dense. Paul does not have the seniority to hold the line as a captain. Go read the FOTM you have access to it.

Under the current CBA said individual can ONLY train NOT check.
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