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Old 12-15-2017, 06:01 PM   #61  
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This is true. Question is what can you do about it. Answer in my opinion is nothing.

Why don’t we spend union resources on something that is being blatantly violated. Hotel points. No, I am not joking. Spencer is constantly violating this section of the contract. When I return to work on Monday, if the hotel does not give me points, I intend to check with the hotel committee to see if this has been agreed to by our people. If they have not, I will file a letter with the Chief Pilot followed up with a grievance if required.
I don’t need to do anything. The union is handling it.
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This is true. Question is what can you do about it. Answer in my opinion is nothing.

Why don’t we spend union resources on something that is being blatantly violated. Hotel points. No, I am not joking. Spencer is constantly violating this section of the contract. When I return to work on Monday, if the hotel does not give me points, I intend to check with the hotel committee to see if this has been agreed to by our people. If they have not, I will file a letter with the Chief Pilot followed up with a grievance if required.
If you dont think this is amongst other things a direct violation of the contract then you just dont get it. Seniority is the cornerstone of our contracts.. and this is a direct assault on that... if you dont see that.... you should look again. YES, this grievance is being fast tracked hopefully in the next 90 days. This will be fought until we prevail or there is no other avenue.

POINTS... give it a rest fellas while they should be avail... they aren't guaranteed. Feel free to file grievances if you like there is some traction there how much remains to be seen ... but there is some there. Breakfast.. not so much.
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Old 12-16-2017, 03:42 PM   #63  
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If you dont think this is amongst other things a direct violation of the contract then you just dont get it. Seniority is the cornerstone of our contracts.. and this is a direct assault on that... if you dont see that.... you should look again. YES, this grievance is being fast tracked hopefully in the next 90 days. This will be fought until we prevail or there is no other avenue.

POINTS... give it a rest fellas while they should be avail... they aren't guaranteed. Feel free to file grievances if you like there is some traction there how much remains to be seen ... but there is some there. Breakfast.. not so much.

There is a section in the contract that very clearly outlines the issue of hotel points. As I have been trying to point out for a time on these threads, this is an issue that needs addressed. I will be contacting the Hotel committee upon checking into my Hotel on Monday as I have been told that there are no points there. If the contract has not been followed I will then address this with the CP. After no resolution is reach I will be filing a grievance.

Regarding PB. My opinion is different than yours. I don't call you stupid or tell you TO GET IT, just because I don't agree with your opinion. My opinion comes from my years interpreting contract language. I hope I am wrong and if I am wrong I will be the first to print it.
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Regarding PB. My opinion is different than yours. I don't call you stupid or tell you TO GET IT, just because I don't agree with your opinion. My opinion comes from my years interpreting contract language. I hope I am wrong and if I am wrong I will be the first to print it.
Nobody thinks your stupid, Quite the contrary. We all think you are smart enough to comprehend the language and understand what it says. We know you support PB and its really somewhat of a tragedy that he's in a terrible situation. The company really needs to step up and work something out. The union guys are reasonable and could probably work something out in grievance resolution. The company sticking it in every ones face by doing this is the draconian crap that they used to do in the past to give K4 such a horrible reputation. Hope they decide to go down the right path.
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Nobody thinks your stupid, Quite the contrary. We all think you are smart enough to comprehend the language and understand what it says. We know you support PB and its really somewhat of a tragedy that he's in a terrible situation. The company really needs to step up and work something out. The union guys are reasonable and could probably work something out in grievance resolution. The company sticking it in every ones face by doing this is the draconian crap that they used to do in the past to give K4 such a horrible reputation. Hope they decide to go down the right path.
I don't have a problem with PB, my problem is with the CBA not being followed. With that said, could you please explain to me what exactly is tragic about PBs situation? It's not like someone put a gun to his head and said, "you're going to American or else". He went there and it sounds like it didn't work out and that isn't a tragedy, that's just life. A tragedy would be contracting HIV because a condom broke while you were in YIP for recurrent.
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I don't have a problem with PB, my problem is with the CBA not being followed. With that said, could you please explain to me what exactly is tragic about PBs situation? It's not like someone put a gun to his head and said, "you're going to American or else". He went there and it sounds like it didn't work out and that isn't a tragedy, that's just life. A tragedy would be contracting HIV because a condom broke while you were in YIP for recurrent.
I don't think he would have left American if he knew that he could only fly open time and that he's not allowed to check. After the arbitration he will essentially be able to to what a contract instructor can do, only they are paying him 5th year captain pay. I don't think that will fly with PS.
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There is a section in the contract that very clearly outlines the issue of hotel points. As I have been trying to point out for a time on these threads, this is an issue that needs addressed. I will be contacting the Hotel committee upon checking into my Hotel on Monday as I have been told that there are no points there. If the contract has not been followed I will then address this with the CP. After no resolution is reach I will be filing a grievance.

Regarding PB. My opinion is different than yours. I don't call you stupid or tell you TO GET IT, just because I don't agree with your opinion. My opinion comes from my years interpreting contract language. I hope I am wrong and if I am wrong I will be the first to print it.
What the contract says about points is that the company will make "every reasonable effort" ... I guarantee you what you and I think that is.. .and what the company thinks that is.. are miles apart.
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Old 12-18-2017, 07:46 AM   #68  
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What the contract says about points is that the company will make "every reasonable effort" ... I guarantee you what you and I think that is.. .and what the company thinks that is.. are miles apart.
I have no illusions that my idea and SR’s idea is far apart. It says that the company must make a commercially reasonable effort. Have they? I say make the show us they have. Thus exposing SR to the light
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I have no illusions that my idea and SR’s idea is far apart. It says that the company must make a commercially reasonable effort. Have they? I say make the show us they have. Thus exposing SR to the light
Maxjet, I couldn’t agree more. We need to have the Hotel Committee investigate this further. I know of several properties, specifically the CVG Hilton, where the hotel manager says we are not awarded points or stay credit due to the contract our airline has made with that specific property. Many times the difference in our “special” rate, which awards no points or stay credit, and an off the street (normal) rate is around $2. So both the company and the hotels are being greedy and trying to screw with us any way they can. Bottom line: this bull**** needs to change! Who do they think we are, Frontier Airlines? LOL
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Maxjet, I couldn’t agree more. We need to have the Hotel Committee investigate this further. I know of several properties, specifically the CVG Hilton, where the hotel manager says we are not awarded points or stay credit due to the contract our airline has made with that specific property. Many times the difference in our “special” rate, which awards no points or stay credit, and an off the street (normal) rate is around $2. So both the company and the hotels are being greedy and trying to screw with us any way they can. Bottom line: this bull**** needs to change! Who do they think we are, Frontier Airlines? LOL
Waited 1 hour for van pickup. Arrived at the hotel and guess what? No reservation😩 Showed her my confirmation number and was told that that was not in my name. She gave me a room. I asked her to put my Priority Club number on it. She said, thanks for being a Spire member and would you like the welcome amenity points or a free drink and snack. Strange day....
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