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Old 08-19-2019, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by vroll1800 View Post
1) How many 8 yr AA pilots make oodles of premium LCA/ instructor pay ?

2) How many 8 yr AA pilots get invited to Doug Parker's birthday party ?

3) About how many days of open flying on your off days did you have to sacrifice to attain your pay level ?

4) How many gainfully employed AA pilots have their apps in at K4 ?

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Old 08-19-2019, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by vroll1800 View Post
1) How many 8 yr AA pilots make oodles of premium LCA/ instructor pay ?

2) How many 8 yr AA pilots get invited to Doug Parker's birthday party ?

3) About how many days of open flying on your off days did you have to sacrifice to attain your pay level ?

4) How many gainfully employed AA pilots have their apps in at K4 ?

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Oh..... a hateful, condescending post from an ABX pilot......that's new.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:27 AM
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How many of you have actually flown for or under Doug Parker / AA? Please raise your hand...
*me raising my hand*
Hey, if that is what you like, go for it. It isn't a superior job for everyone, it can even be fairly viewed as a great negative to many. Vice versa, what ever. Just don't tell me that my job sucks if you haven't actually done it.
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Old 08-20-2019, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3 View Post
How many of you have actually flown for or under Doug Parker / AA? Please raise your hand...
*me raising my hand*
Hey, if that is what you like, go for it. It isn't a superior job for everyone, it can even be fairly viewed as a great negative to many. Vice versa, what ever. Just don't tell me that my job sucks if you haven't actually done it.
You came from A REGIONAL, just like the rest of us. At no point did you ever work for American Airlines. No one at American has their app in at Kalitta or any other ACMI. If you can find a single legacy airline pilot that has left for any ACMI (that wasn’t fired, forced to resign, or furloughed) I’ll buy you a steak dinner. Everyone gets it, Kalitta is better than Mesa, as it should be.
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker View Post
You came from A REGIONAL, just like the rest of us. At no point did you ever work for American Airlines. No one at American has their app in at Kalitta or any other ACMI. If you can find a single legacy airline pilot that has left for any ACMI (that wasn’t fired, forced to resign, or furloughed) I’ll buy you a steak dinner. Everyone gets it, Kalitta is better than Mesa, as it should be.
How about an AA Captain that retired 8 years early becuse he hated it so much and came to K4

Does that count?
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker View Post
You came from A REGIONAL, just like the rest of us. At no point did you ever work for American Airlines. No one at American has their app in at Kalitta or any other ACMI. If you can find a single legacy airline pilot that has left for any ACMI (that wasn’t fired, forced to resign, or furloughed) I’ll buy you a steak dinner. Everyone gets it, Kalitta is better than Mesa, as it should be.
PB left AA for K4. Medium well plz
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PB left AA for K4. Medium well plz
Medium well? Do you eat your steak with ketchup too?
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Old 08-20-2019, 10:58 AM
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PB left AA for K4. Medium well plz
I hope the guy's got a plan for retirement... He was getting at least $40k at AA. He'll be getting around $5-7.5K at K4 as an FO...
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Old 08-20-2019, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3 View Post
How many of you have actually flown for or under Doug Parker / AA? Please raise your hand...
*me raising my hand*
Hey, if that is what you like, go for it. It isn't a superior job for everyone, it can even be fairly viewed as a great negative to many. Vice versa, what ever. Just don't tell me that my job sucks if you haven't actually done it.
I’ve worked for Doug. I much prefer my current QOL than what my equivalent seniority guys that flowed over there are getting, and it’s not worth the difference in higher pay working for the evil empire. Longer upgrade over there too.

Each has its benefits. Depending on personal priorities one will fit you better than the other.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by vroll1800 View Post
1) How many 8 yr AA pilots make oodles of premium LCA/ instructor pay ?

2) How many 8 yr AA pilots get invited to Doug Parker's birthday party ?

3) About how many days of open flying on your off days did you have to sacrifice to attain your pay level ?

4) How many gainfully employed AA pilots have their apps in at K4 ?

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All very good points and except for #3 quite accurate. My pay rate is the same as an 8 year AA 73 CA. For me my quality of life is way better. For him or her, hopefully their quality of life is way better. I post on this thread because it is quite inaccurate, and harmful to an less than an extremely well versed pilot, who is exploring options regarding employment in the ACMI sector.

I am a fairly well educated man with a really good resume both in and out of aviation. Unlike a lot of new generation pilots, I do this because I love flying, not for the money. I love to fly and I love the environment. Not just the airplane, but the environment. I would never allow myself to be spending my pre-retirement days in the cesspool that some of you try to paint this industry as. At this juncture in my life, I choose to work at K4. 10 years ago, I would have chosen to work at USAirways. I had no idea how blessed I was to have not gotten the call. If you are in aviation for the money and benefits only you will never be happy. How do I know this? Because I used to work for a living before aviation. I know a great industry when I see one.

If you are unhappy with your lot in life then do something to change it. Otherwise quit complaining. You look childish.

If you are posting in an attempt to dissuade individuals from applying in order to further contract negotiations, then keep up the good work, and post away. Those who do their homework will see past it.

To read the crap in this thread paints a very bleak picture of the industry. It also is very different than reality. I meet pilots all the time from ATI, ABX, Atlas, Southern, and many others. They don’t seem ready to commit suicide any time soon.
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