Industry Strnd

[QUOTE=nitefr8dog;2555412]Because the contract allows it does not mean you have too. The ones being JRM'd are allowing it to happen for premium pay and days back. Once the ball starts rolling everyday worked is premium and you can still take the days off you want. Many crewmembers never even filled all D6 requirements for the extra day in 2016 or 2017. Just need to be creative and work when you want. It only happens if you let it![/QUOTE

Ahh yes you do, if they say work on days off you have to! Nice try in trying to make potential new hits think this place isn't as bad as it is. Trust me you can't deny being told you have to work on your days off! It's mandatory when they get you!

Jurassic Jet

Not if I'm too tired.

nitefr8dog

[QUOTE=Industry Strnd;2555628]BS....grow a pair...I have told them many times I am not available and simply hangup. I would never try to tell anyone this sh$#hole company is not that bad. I am saying work JRM/OT if you want...go home when you need to its that simple.

hackerbyday

I did not say that just responded to your statement, “With all the required flying on days off ......its starting to set the company up for a status quo violation that caused the strike at ABX”. Just saying that it is not a status quo violation under our current contract and was not the cause of our strike. Besides there are 101 ways to not fly JR Man.

Industry Strnd

As a recap for anyone thinking of applying at ATI, ABX, or Atlas...

ATLAS..management has prolonged negotiations, substandard pay, sued the pilots, end up in the desert in countries you didn't even know existed.

ATI, you won't be one who crossed a picket line but for the rest of your career pilots will associate you as you might have crossed...you wont be one who voted for a substandard contract but pilots won't know that. Work 16 days in a row and then be told you have to work more days, weak alpa union who let's alpa national and management lead them around. No scope on wide bodies. Virtually no retirement and rates that fall well short of real airlines.

Abx, low 1st year pay, 17 day schedules, no kcm, no hotel or perdiem during training, management that hates pilots, losing airplanes, no new contract in sight!

The amazon dream doesn't exist there is no sign of Amazon buying any of these carriers nor is there any public announced growth. Matter of fact all of these carriers are under staffed for the flying they current try to do. If you love being told you have to work extra days for the lowest pay in the industry come here.

If you're thinking about coming to one of these carriers maybe think twice. There are plenty of carriers that have rewarded their pilots with industry standard contracts but not these places!

Did I miss anything?

Oh yeah 12 hour ready reserve.

Anything else?

redmanchew

Don't forget getting extended 2 hrs extra on that 12 hr reserve...and preflighting 3 planes at a time. And don't forget that the only way to get paid properly is to grieve it and hope it gets settled within the decade.


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point432

Wasn't there a couple people that had pay issues after they left and might be figuring to just consider it a lost cause? This was up for grievance but those that addressed it, I haven't heard anything about lately.

Stratocruzr

Don’t forget the taxable travel at $500+ per mo.
And when the department loses the receipts you mailed in on time. Your paycheck is docked additional for company travel.
YOU have to jump through your ass to clear it.

Too many other places with way better contracts. This place is stuck in the 80s. No talent in any departments. Crisis management at all times.

303flyboy

How many of the 151s hired two years ago are left ?

GeelErmo

40+% and growing. 3-5 every month.