Big ATI contract meeting
02-03-2018, 06:59 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Lockheed
You Nailed it
they have their agendas in mind - not yours
Glad to see your Team has a TA
if your group likes it - it will be ratified
simple as that
they have their agendas in mind - not yours
Glad to see your Team has a TA
if your group likes it - it will be ratified
simple as that
02-03-2018, 07:03 AM
#22
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The reason why other airlines comment on your negations is because it directly effects ,either positively or negatively , other groups ability to get the best deal possible. This “don’t comment because you’re not at our airline” is an utterly short sighted and dim witted argument.
Pay rates aside, if y’all vote something in with no direct retirement contribution you are hurting yourselves as well as everyone else is the same general position. I understand that it’s better than what you have but it is NOT what you deserve.
Pay rates aside, if y’all vote something in with no direct retirement contribution you are hurting yourselves as well as everyone else is the same general position. I understand that it’s better than what you have but it is NOT what you deserve.
02-03-2018, 07:13 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Froggy
The reason why other airlines comment on your negations is because it directly effects ,either positively or negatively , other groups ability to get the best deal possible. This “don’t comment because you’re not at our airline” is an utterly short sighted and dim witted argument.
Pay rates aside, if y’all vote something in with no direct retirement contribution you are hurting yourselves as well as everyone else is the same general position. I understand that it’s better than what you have but it is NOT what you deserve.
Pay rates aside, if y’all vote something in with no direct retirement contribution you are hurting yourselves as well as everyone else is the same general position. I understand that it’s better than what you have but it is NOT what you deserve.
ATI pilots, you need to think about your professional pride and self esteem. Are you flying the same equipment as your counterparts at ABX? Are the Exec’s in ATSG giving themselves subpar bonuses and pay raises? Are the ATSG airlines responsible for the company’s profits?
Don’t underestimate yourselves. Demand and expect what you deserve. Vote your conscience.
02-03-2018, 07:53 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by Froggy
The reason why other airlines comment on your negations is because it directly effects ,either positively or negatively , other groups ability to get the best deal possible. This “don’t comment because you’re not at our airline” is an utterly short sighted and dim witted argument.
Pay rates aside, if y’all vote something in with no direct retirement contribution you are hurting yourselves as well as everyone else is the same general position. I understand that it’s better than what you have but it is NOT what you deserve.
Pay rates aside, if y’all vote something in with no direct retirement contribution you are hurting yourselves as well as everyone else is the same general position. I understand that it’s better than what you have but it is NOT what you deserve.
02-03-2018, 08:07 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by baldwin
So Kalitta "hurt themselves and everyone else" by failing to hold out for a direct contribution % in addition to the increase in 401k match that they got?
So I’ll send the question back to you, does that help or hurt?
That’s not to say that k4 should have held out. It’s just showing that every contract has affects across the board.
ATI is already compensated well below industry. Hopefully they have pushed to, at the very least come up to some sort of new standard.
You never get everything you want in this but the environment is ripe to get extremely close.
02-03-2018, 08:15 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by baldwin
So Kalitta "hurt themselves and everyone else" by failing to hold out for a direct contribution % in addition to the increase in 401k match that they got?
02-03-2018, 08:30 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by Jason605
You never get everything you want in this but the environment is ripe to get extremely close.
management to press them for a CBA resolution. Guarantee there's more $$ to be had above the value of this TA.
What amuses me though is the ATI group getting lectured about self-esteem re: not asking for a retirement DC... pretty sure no one lectured Kalitta or (Omni for that matter) about settling for "just a 401k match increase". ATI could vote in a UPS-like CBA and 2 seconds later people would be on here finding a way to spin it in a negative way.
02-03-2018, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by baldwin
What amuses me though is the ATI group getting lectured about self-esteem re: not asking for a retirement DC... pretty sure no one lectured Kalitta or (Omni for that matter) about settling for "just a 401k match increase". ATI could vote in a UPS-like CBA and 2 seconds later people would be on here finding a way to spin it in a negative way.
02-03-2018, 09:09 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by OverGMcGee
Doubt we will get better so lets take a serious look at it.
Dear Lord, what world do you live in?
Please share 3 GOOD REASONS for the quote above?
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