Ups 2015
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Ups 2015
As a long time lurker and mostly non-poster here; I'am starting another year here at UPS in 2015 as an IPA pilot with the same seniority of a new hire. After waiting 9yrs at UPS to move up and out of the bottom 300 I continually ask myself when is enough, enough in this abusive relationship?
To post any of this on the IPA back slapping Bar n Grill of the same 25 captains would be considered excommunication. But, no I'am not a manager, just an extremely frustrated IPA F/O.
UPS management continually fails to address and answer the following. How many more friends will I lose to fatigue, battery fires or poor training in the coming year? What future is there here with a corrosive management culture who trains every ground bound worker to hate every airborne co-worker. When will we, if ever grow and modernize the airline?
Although I would love things to improve and turn around here at UPS in 2015, it seems to me.......it is just so much wishful thinking. The IPA has no teeth and is a lame duck proven by the perfect 2014 peak that was just pulled off by UPS.
So here is my take on what to expect in 2015. At best the continuing slow erosion of seniority, worse schedules and more new-hire managers.
Contract talks continue.....TA in sight by early 2016, but only when UPS wants something and a industry non-leading contract of 3% raise is floated about. IPA EB strongly recommends same toothless contract language in which a proverbial 747 can be flown thru.
If the Economy improves in the slightest in early 2015....."I think many here of the bottom 300 have had enough"......and bottom 300 lucky few with at least 15yrs of flying on the clock start mass exodus back to "non-trucking airlines."
Double Breasted UPS operation continues with Non-union Mangler pilots who surpass 300-400 while IPA can't even defend basic definition of a union.
Alaska ANC base closed and international operations given over to Supply-Chain-Solutions. "AKA...Kalitta, Atlas, Cathay etc...."
MD-11 fleet shrinks by half and is recalled to Domestic due to lack of maintenance and available spares.
747 fleet grounds itself due to deferred maintenance, and is not needed anyways thanks to SCS.
Union pilot list shrinks to 1,900. The 109 rallying cry, becomes just another number.
85% of next day air flights and 75% of 2nd day air flights continue on-time.......
To post any of this on the IPA back slapping Bar n Grill of the same 25 captains would be considered excommunication. But, no I'am not a manager, just an extremely frustrated IPA F/O.
UPS management continually fails to address and answer the following. How many more friends will I lose to fatigue, battery fires or poor training in the coming year? What future is there here with a corrosive management culture who trains every ground bound worker to hate every airborne co-worker. When will we, if ever grow and modernize the airline?
Although I would love things to improve and turn around here at UPS in 2015, it seems to me.......it is just so much wishful thinking. The IPA has no teeth and is a lame duck proven by the perfect 2014 peak that was just pulled off by UPS.
So here is my take on what to expect in 2015. At best the continuing slow erosion of seniority, worse schedules and more new-hire managers.
Contract talks continue.....TA in sight by early 2016, but only when UPS wants something and a industry non-leading contract of 3% raise is floated about. IPA EB strongly recommends same toothless contract language in which a proverbial 747 can be flown thru.
If the Economy improves in the slightest in early 2015....."I think many here of the bottom 300 have had enough"......and bottom 300 lucky few with at least 15yrs of flying on the clock start mass exodus back to "non-trucking airlines."
Double Breasted UPS operation continues with Non-union Mangler pilots who surpass 300-400 while IPA can't even defend basic definition of a union.
Alaska ANC base closed and international operations given over to Supply-Chain-Solutions. "AKA...Kalitta, Atlas, Cathay etc...."
MD-11 fleet shrinks by half and is recalled to Domestic due to lack of maintenance and available spares.
747 fleet grounds itself due to deferred maintenance, and is not needed anyways thanks to SCS.
Union pilot list shrinks to 1,900. The 109 rallying cry, becomes just another number.
85% of next day air flights and 75% of 2nd day air flights continue on-time.......
#2
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 160
As a long time lurker and mostly non-poster here; I'am starting another year here at UPS in 2015 as an IPA pilot with the same seniority of a new hire. After waiting 9yrs at UPS to move up and out of the bottom 300 I continually ask myself when is enough, enough in this abusive relationship?
To post any of this on the IPA back slapping Bar n Grill of the same 25 captains would be considered excommunication. But, no I'am not a manager, just an extremely frustrated IPA F/O.
UPS management continually fails to address and answer the following. How many more friends will I lose to fatigue, battery fires or poor training in the coming year? What future is there here with a corrosive management culture who trains every ground bound worker to hate every airborne co-worker. When will we, if ever grow and modernize the airline?
Although I would love things to improve and turn around here at UPS in 2015, it seems to me.......it is just so much wishful thinking. The IPA has no teeth and is a lame duck proven by the perfect 2014 peak that was just pulled off by UPS.
So here is my take on what to expect in 2015. At best the continuing slow erosion of seniority, worse schedules and more new-hire managers.
Contract talks continue.....TA in sight by early 2016, but only when UPS wants something and a industry non-leading contract of 3% raise is floated about. IPA EB strongly recommends same toothless contract language in which a proverbial 747 can be flown thru.
If the Economy improves in the slightest in early 2015....."I think many here of the bottom 300 have had enough"......and bottom 300 lucky few with at least 15yrs of flying on the clock start mass exodus back to "non-trucking airlines."
Double Breasted UPS operation continues with Non-union Mangler pilots who surpass 300-400 while IPA can't even defend basic definition of a union.
Alaska ANC base closed and international operations given over to Supply-Chain-Solutions. "AKA...Kalitta, Atlas, Cathay etc...."
MD-11 fleet shrinks by half and is recalled to Domestic due to lack of maintenance and available spares.
747 fleet grounds itself due to deferred maintenance, and is not needed anyways thanks to SCS.
Union pilot list shrinks to 1,900. The 109 rallying cry, becomes just another number.
85% of next day air flights and 75% of 2nd day air flights continue on-time.......
To post any of this on the IPA back slapping Bar n Grill of the same 25 captains would be considered excommunication. But, no I'am not a manager, just an extremely frustrated IPA F/O.
UPS management continually fails to address and answer the following. How many more friends will I lose to fatigue, battery fires or poor training in the coming year? What future is there here with a corrosive management culture who trains every ground bound worker to hate every airborne co-worker. When will we, if ever grow and modernize the airline?
Although I would love things to improve and turn around here at UPS in 2015, it seems to me.......it is just so much wishful thinking. The IPA has no teeth and is a lame duck proven by the perfect 2014 peak that was just pulled off by UPS.
So here is my take on what to expect in 2015. At best the continuing slow erosion of seniority, worse schedules and more new-hire managers.
Contract talks continue.....TA in sight by early 2016, but only when UPS wants something and a industry non-leading contract of 3% raise is floated about. IPA EB strongly recommends same toothless contract language in which a proverbial 747 can be flown thru.
If the Economy improves in the slightest in early 2015....."I think many here of the bottom 300 have had enough"......and bottom 300 lucky few with at least 15yrs of flying on the clock start mass exodus back to "non-trucking airlines."
Double Breasted UPS operation continues with Non-union Mangler pilots who surpass 300-400 while IPA can't even defend basic definition of a union.
Alaska ANC base closed and international operations given over to Supply-Chain-Solutions. "AKA...Kalitta, Atlas, Cathay etc...."
MD-11 fleet shrinks by half and is recalled to Domestic due to lack of maintenance and available spares.
747 fleet grounds itself due to deferred maintenance, and is not needed anyways thanks to SCS.
Union pilot list shrinks to 1,900. The 109 rallying cry, becomes just another number.
85% of next day air flights and 75% of 2nd day air flights continue on-time.......
#3
I understand some of your frustrations, but I don't see it as being THAT bad here. I kindly and sincerely invite you to leave for a legacy. After all, like you've said, they're hiring by the thousands. Maybe then you'll see that pilots of every pilot group ***** about the same things ($, QOL, scheduling, contracts, etc). Us at UPS and FDX also share the added burden of increased safety hazards which should demand a premium in pay (IMHO). But if you think the grass is really greener then by all means please do us both a favor and go somewhere else. Lord knows my seniority could use a bump, even if it's only by 1 number.
#4
MasterCaution,
I'll give you the phone number of my buddy's at American Airlines who were hired in 1990, Thats 25 years ago and who just upgraded to Captain in 2011 (767) , then back to F/O in 2012 then back to Captain in 2013 (737) only to be making $12 more an hour than a UPS First Officer. Oh, I forgot, He lost his retirement and has only 1/2 of what I have as a UPS 1995 hire in his pension fund, and ZERO A Plan.....Things will improve, just have to be patient. There are BILLIONS of people all over the world who never bought anything online or even own a computer..we have to grow soon.
I'll give you the phone number of my buddy's at American Airlines who were hired in 1990, Thats 25 years ago and who just upgraded to Captain in 2011 (767) , then back to F/O in 2012 then back to Captain in 2013 (737) only to be making $12 more an hour than a UPS First Officer. Oh, I forgot, He lost his retirement and has only 1/2 of what I have as a UPS 1995 hire in his pension fund, and ZERO A Plan.....Things will improve, just have to be patient. There are BILLIONS of people all over the world who never bought anything online or even own a computer..we have to grow soon.
#5
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: DC-8 756/767
Posts: 1,141
As a long time lurker and mostly non-poster here; I'am starting another year here at UPS in 2015 as an IPA pilot with the same seniority of a new hire. After waiting 9yrs at UPS to move up and out of the bottom 300 I continually ask myself when is enough, enough in this abusive relationship?
To post any of this on the IPA back slapping Bar n Grill of the same 25 captains would be considered excommunication. But, no I'am not a manager, just an extremely frustrated IPA F/O.
UPS management continually fails to address and answer the following. How many more friends will I lose to fatigue, battery fires or poor training in the coming year? What future is there here with a corrosive management culture who trains every ground bound worker to hate every airborne co-worker. When will we, if ever grow and modernize the airline?
Although I would love things to improve and turn around here at UPS in 2015, it seems to me.......it is just so much wishful thinking. The IPA has no teeth and is a lame duck proven by the perfect 2014 peak that was just pulled off by UPS.
So here is my take on what to expect in 2015. At best the continuing slow erosion of seniority, worse schedules and more new-hire managers.
Contract talks continue.....TA in sight by early 2016, but only when UPS wants something and a industry non-leading contract of 3% raise is floated about. IPA EB strongly recommends same toothless contract language in which a proverbial 747 can be flown thru.
If the Economy improves in the slightest in early 2015....."I think many here of the bottom 300 have had enough"......and bottom 300 lucky few with at least 15yrs of flying on the clock start mass exodus back to "non-trucking airlines."
Double Breasted UPS operation continues with Non-union Mangler pilots who surpass 300-400 while IPA can't even defend basic definition of a union.
Alaska ANC base closed and international operations given over to Supply-Chain-Solutions. "AKA...Kalitta, Atlas, Cathay etc...."
MD-11 fleet shrinks by half and is recalled to Domestic due to lack of maintenance and available spares.
747 fleet grounds itself due to deferred maintenance, and is not needed anyways thanks to SCS.
Union pilot list shrinks to 1,900. The 109 rallying cry, becomes just another number.
85% of next day air flights and 75% of 2nd day air flights continue on-time.......
To post any of this on the IPA back slapping Bar n Grill of the same 25 captains would be considered excommunication. But, no I'am not a manager, just an extremely frustrated IPA F/O.
UPS management continually fails to address and answer the following. How many more friends will I lose to fatigue, battery fires or poor training in the coming year? What future is there here with a corrosive management culture who trains every ground bound worker to hate every airborne co-worker. When will we, if ever grow and modernize the airline?
Although I would love things to improve and turn around here at UPS in 2015, it seems to me.......it is just so much wishful thinking. The IPA has no teeth and is a lame duck proven by the perfect 2014 peak that was just pulled off by UPS.
So here is my take on what to expect in 2015. At best the continuing slow erosion of seniority, worse schedules and more new-hire managers.
Contract talks continue.....TA in sight by early 2016, but only when UPS wants something and a industry non-leading contract of 3% raise is floated about. IPA EB strongly recommends same toothless contract language in which a proverbial 747 can be flown thru.
If the Economy improves in the slightest in early 2015....."I think many here of the bottom 300 have had enough"......and bottom 300 lucky few with at least 15yrs of flying on the clock start mass exodus back to "non-trucking airlines."
Double Breasted UPS operation continues with Non-union Mangler pilots who surpass 300-400 while IPA can't even defend basic definition of a union.
Alaska ANC base closed and international operations given over to Supply-Chain-Solutions. "AKA...Kalitta, Atlas, Cathay etc...."
MD-11 fleet shrinks by half and is recalled to Domestic due to lack of maintenance and available spares.
747 fleet grounds itself due to deferred maintenance, and is not needed anyways thanks to SCS.
Union pilot list shrinks to 1,900. The 109 rallying cry, becomes just another number.
85% of next day air flights and 75% of 2nd day air flights continue on-time.......
I've been here 9.5 years and even though my QOL could be better, as a commuter, it ain't that bad. I do my ****ing job, go home and get to spend quality time with my family.
How many Union meetings have you attended? Have you ever thought about getting involved? Or are you one of "those" guys who are always a victim of big ole UPS, but never one who wants to be part of the solution. Have you seen how happy our brothers are at FedEx? You don't think they have some of the same issues we have??
Delta, United, American???? Things may be great now, but wait for the next recession! See how those guys get raked over the coals.
UPS obviously has continued and will continue to make this job as hard as possible. Don't think for a second that as soon as UPS does not need you, they will get rid of you. But guess what, so will every other airline in the world. If you really think the grass in greener on the other side, make the leap and find out!
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A serious question. How great would this place be without conflict bidding and A plan. I think most would change their tune about how great a place this is no matter what year your hired.
Quit belittling people for their frustration, thats what the Bar and grill is for.
Quit belittling people for their frustration, thats what the Bar and grill is for.
#7
One huge factor about choosing the Pax airlines over UPS is all you need is another crackpot terrorist or home-grown psycho to cause an incident and half the sheep in the country won't fly for a year or two...all the retirements in the world can't off-set that situation..food for thought. People will still buy tons of stuff on the internet!
#8
As a long time lurker and mostly non-poster here; I'am starting another year here at UPS in 2015 as an IPA pilot with the same seniority of a new hire. After waiting 9yrs at UPS to move up and out of the bottom 300 I continually ask myself when is enough, enough in this abusive relationship?
To post any of this on the IPA back slapping Bar n Grill of the same 25 captains would be considered excommunication. But, no I'am not a manager, just an extremely frustrated IPA F/O.
UPS management continually fails to address and answer the following. How many more friends will I lose to fatigue, battery fires or poor training in the coming year? What future is there here with a corrosive management culture who trains every ground bound worker to hate every airborne co-worker. When will we, if ever grow and modernize the airline?
Although I would love things to improve and turn around here at UPS in 2015, it seems to me.......it is just so much wishful thinking. The IPA has no teeth and is a lame duck proven by the perfect 2014 peak that was just pulled off by UPS.
So here is my take on what to expect in 2015. At best the continuing slow erosion of seniority, worse schedules and more new-hire managers.
Contract talks continue.....TA in sight by early 2016, but only when UPS wants something and a industry non-leading contract of 3% raise is floated about. IPA EB strongly recommends same toothless contract language in which a proverbial 747 can be flown thru.
If the Economy improves in the slightest in early 2015....."I think many here of the bottom 300 have had enough"......and bottom 300 lucky few with at least 15yrs of flying on the clock start mass exodus back to "non-trucking airlines."
Double Breasted UPS operation continues with Non-union Mangler pilots who surpass 300-400 while IPA can't even defend basic definition of a union.
Alaska ANC base closed and international operations given over to Supply-Chain-Solutions. "AKA...Kalitta, Atlas, Cathay etc...."
MD-11 fleet shrinks by half and is recalled to Domestic due to lack of maintenance and available spares.
747 fleet grounds itself due to deferred maintenance, and is not needed anyways thanks to SCS.
Union pilot list shrinks to 1,900. The 109 rallying cry, becomes just another number.
85% of next day air flights and 75% of 2nd day air flights continue on-time.......
To post any of this on the IPA back slapping Bar n Grill of the same 25 captains would be considered excommunication. But, no I'am not a manager, just an extremely frustrated IPA F/O.
UPS management continually fails to address and answer the following. How many more friends will I lose to fatigue, battery fires or poor training in the coming year? What future is there here with a corrosive management culture who trains every ground bound worker to hate every airborne co-worker. When will we, if ever grow and modernize the airline?
Although I would love things to improve and turn around here at UPS in 2015, it seems to me.......it is just so much wishful thinking. The IPA has no teeth and is a lame duck proven by the perfect 2014 peak that was just pulled off by UPS.
So here is my take on what to expect in 2015. At best the continuing slow erosion of seniority, worse schedules and more new-hire managers.
Contract talks continue.....TA in sight by early 2016, but only when UPS wants something and a industry non-leading contract of 3% raise is floated about. IPA EB strongly recommends same toothless contract language in which a proverbial 747 can be flown thru.
If the Economy improves in the slightest in early 2015....."I think many here of the bottom 300 have had enough"......and bottom 300 lucky few with at least 15yrs of flying on the clock start mass exodus back to "non-trucking airlines."
Double Breasted UPS operation continues with Non-union Mangler pilots who surpass 300-400 while IPA can't even defend basic definition of a union.
Alaska ANC base closed and international operations given over to Supply-Chain-Solutions. "AKA...Kalitta, Atlas, Cathay etc...."
MD-11 fleet shrinks by half and is recalled to Domestic due to lack of maintenance and available spares.
747 fleet grounds itself due to deferred maintenance, and is not needed anyways thanks to SCS.
Union pilot list shrinks to 1,900. The 109 rallying cry, becomes just another number.
85% of next day air flights and 75% of 2nd day air flights continue on-time.......
One other point for me, is that I've never once done this mythical conflict bidding. People always talk about it, but I've never gotten more than a day or two off. Conflict bidding is a myth for junior pilots 06-07.
#9
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: DC-8 756/767
Posts: 1,141
A serious question. How great would this place be without conflict bidding and A plan. I think most would change their tune about how great a place this is no matter what year your hired.
Quit belittling people for their frustration, thats what the Bar and grill is for.
Quit belittling people for their frustration, thats what the Bar and grill is for.
#10
Well hopefully this has all been cathartic...
Rumors of Delta hiring between 1200-1500 in 2015, with United and American not too far behind in numbers. Go get your seniority number TODAY,and YOU TOO can ride a wave of retirements, go work for a "real" airline, and feel the sweet relief of a pardon from brown handcuffs.
Or, ya know, keep *****ing on APC - whatever works for you.
Rumors of Delta hiring between 1200-1500 in 2015, with United and American not too far behind in numbers. Go get your seniority number TODAY,and YOU TOO can ride a wave of retirements, go work for a "real" airline, and feel the sweet relief of a pardon from brown handcuffs.
Or, ya know, keep *****ing on APC - whatever works for you.
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