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Old 10-26-2018, 11:30 AM   #121  
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For those following along, I donít believe any of the recent discussions in this thread involving Union/EXCO bashing has involved any SouthernAir pilot.
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:33 PM   #122  
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as far as the fish go - what your saying is because atlas is the big fish the little fish can go to he!! - got it
False.

All you need to do is look at how close the ExCos of Atlas, ABX and Southern work together.

I was ALPA once too. I've NEVER seen such solidarity. When Atlas and Polar were ALPA the two MEC Chairs were at each others' throats. ALPA National just let the whole thing rot to the core.

Look what that got us.
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:34 PM   #123  
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For those following along, I donít believe any of the recent discussions in this thread involving Union/EXCO bashing has involved any SouthernAir pilot.
True!

Only thing to know about being hired at Southern is DON'T BE.
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Old 10-26-2018, 01:08 PM   #124  
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False.

All you need to do is look at how close the ExCos of Atlas, ABX and Southern work together.
You realize there are 7 more air carriers in 1224 right?


and I was just using the statements that if you are not UA, DL or FDX in ALPA you get eaten and crapped on as a little fish
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how good it is for atlas to be the big fish in their pond - Ö.


I can tell you this - if Atlas went back to ALPA you wouldn't be a little fish
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Old 10-26-2018, 02:59 PM   #125  
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You realize there are 7 more air carriers in 1224 right?


and I was just using the statements that if you are not UA, DL or FDX in ALPA you get eaten and crapped on as a little fish
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how good it is for atlas to be the big fish in their pond - Ö.


I can tell you this - if Atlas went back to ALPA you wouldn't be a little fish
I do realize that.

And as much as I respect my colleagues at Allegiant and Cape Air, there just aren't a lot of examples that demonstrate what cooperation looks like. Neither are there any examples of one frustrating the efforts of the other.

Again, I have to point to Atlas, ABX and Southern for practical examples.
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Old 10-27-2018, 01:19 AM   #126  
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I had 14 years under ALPA at my previous ACMI carrier and saw first hand just how they treat any airline other than Delta, FedEx, and United. A big fish in a small pond is much better than fish food in the ocean.

But it is difficult to clearly have a better picture of ALPA since they took over at K4, what, just about a year ago. And don't forget that it is a Teamster contract you are operating under.

I hope we get the mother of all contracts, too. I believe that a rising tide lifts all ships. And had K4 stayed under the Teamster banner, they would be in the same harbor as the rest of the DHL/Amazon ACMI carriers and make this a better, stronger collective team of pilot groups. I think it was a mistake and an insult for K4 to abandon Teamster after the contract, but the pilot group fell for the rantings of a few malcontents and their mis-information agenda.

We at Atlas are doing our best to forge a new contract under very difficult legal constraints and the rantings of the few who spout anti union/anti EXCO propaganda here need to be ignored. As we have seen, they have nothing constructive to add and only like to hear their own voices.
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I normally let him spew his BS but occasionally get tired of the outright lies he makes regularly and called him out on it recently on a crew call. I challenged a past email that he said he had been approved to be the ExCo chair to the end of his term by the E-board despite his earlier retirement. The BK and MG team immediately went into cover-up/BS mode which ended any of my follow up questions on the subject on that call. The Local 1224 President later in the call had to step in and correct what the ExCo chair (BK) said to mirror what I said on the BK lies. BK's TERM ENDS 07/19 due to his mandatory retirement and not being on the seniority list anymore. He will only be a business agent after that at our expense at 1224 to the end of his elected term unless the President decides to keep him on for something else. Section 13 of the bylaws for the full info. Of course, I guess the new ExCo Chair replacement could capitulate their authority to him. They would be stupid to do so in my opinion.

That is solely just one time to the many in the past due to having knowledge of what he speaks of. I can almost state that just about every crew call, emailing, committee call and new hire meeting he states something at least misleading if not just an outright lie. But you eat it up like a Trumper at a Trump rally despite third party fact checking saying otherwise.

This has gotten so bad that Southern ExCo and the Local President had to wait until BK was on vacation to reach a parity deal to help Southern crews out and not allow Atlas to use Southerns contract in an arbitration as the lower end of the scales if we ended up there. BK would have blown it up and they knew it. I won't get into the details of why since the company reads these posts. BK did everything he could to label derogatorily Southern guys and try to get them to vote it down using our membership to do so behind the scenes.

It has gotten bad enough that we have a group pushing for ALPA now due to our leaderships failings. I don't recommend this since I was one of the ones to lead us to their decertification in the first place. We just need to get rid of the 4 of the 7 bad ones in our leadership who got elected by our large influx of new hires who didn't know the players and history vs reality and facts. To tell the truth, there was not an election the last time due to the E-board at the last minute expanded our Atlas ExCo from 5 to 7 members right before the election. We coincidentally only had only 7 guys running for those 5 spots which was expanded to 7 and the 7 running got placed into those positions without a vote. So nobody could get bounced out of office in the election.

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Old 11-01-2018, 12:21 AM   #127  
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I think the bottom line for anyone looking at a viably sustainable company with a good working environment and benefits ought to consider all this rhetoric as a warning that it may/may not be a long term solution to your financial and professional goals. Can it get better? Could it get better? Yes, however the employees have to force management to make it better. If they wanted to they could make Atlas/Polar/Southern a.k.a. "SouthPoleAss" an elite in the industry. In the interim, FREE type ratings for everyone. No money down, no obligation, cancel any time!
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MOD WARNING:

Some of this rhetoric, especially the personal epithets, may cause the thread to close. We understand that Union infighting can be heated, but please donít flamebait each other if you want the discussion to continue. Thanks.
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Old 11-01-2018, 02:13 PM   #129  
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I think the bottom line for anyone looking at a viably sustainable company with a good working environment and benefits ought to consider all this rhetoric as a warning that it may/may not be a long term solution to your financial and professional goals. Can it get better? Could it get better? Yes, however the employees have to force management to make it better. If they wanted to they could make Atlas/Polar/Southern a.k.a. "SouthPoleAss" an elite in the industry. In the interim, FREE type ratings for everyone. No money down, no obligation, cancel any time!
SouthPoleAss is gold and we sould submit to management for a name change along with the merger.
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SouthPoleAss is gold and we sould submit to management for a name change along with the merger.
Hobos might have no friends, but Southern Air pilots have friends up the Atl-ass!
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