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Old 06-28-2018, 09:43 AM   #71  
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Word to the wise... AAWW management is not offering SAI pilots contract parity with the Atlas pilot group out of the goodness in their hearts.

There are undoubtedly strings attached and a hidden agenda. The SAI pilot group are hopefully brave enough to see that voting down this sub standard TA will put them in the driver seat. It’s obvious that AAWW management is feeling the pinch.

Bon courage!
Anything beyond contract parity needs to be done in coordination with our Atlas brothers in a JCBA. All this would do is eliminate “almagamation” and get the SouthernAir pilots out from under the onerous bankruptcy CBA we’ve been forced to live under since the Atlas purchase of Southern. If Atlas had not purchased us 2 years ago, we had contract language that would’ve forced management into arbitration in November 2016 and we would have had a new CBA already in place by now. Would’ve it have been equal to Kalitta or Omni? Who knows. However, it would’ve been much better than this dog of a CBA we’ve operated under for over 11 years...that’s right..11 years with only a slight mod post bankruptcy.
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The more that we pilots/union employees can work together, the easier it will be to get our fair share of our company's profits. Too much of the fruits of labor here on Our Earth, have been going to the 0.1%.

Let us try our best to support each other, and work towards a common goal of improving AAWW.

God Bless, and Namaste...

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That was Monday. The office is busy dealing with all things that happened over the weekend that have to be addressed. Give it time.

If you don't get the call, consider yourself lucky and find other more fertile fields. Oh, you might want to self-evaluate, and try to understand why you didn't get that call. SAI hiring is based more on who is willing to come, versus who to select. There are still limits though, (hopefully).

Self-Evaluation: Something we ALL need to improve upon!
There was a part of the application dashboard that I didn’t see that you also have to fill out. It blended in well with the other icons. I completed that last night. But since they’re going to offer this atlas deal maybe they stopped pulling resumes from the SA side and will hire from atlas??
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Word to the wise... AAWW management is not offering SAI pilots contract parity with the Atlas pilot group out of the goodness in their hearts.

There are undoubtedly strings attached and a hidden agenda. The SAI pilot group are hopefully brave enough to see that voting down this sub standard TA will put them in the driver seat. It’s obvious that AAWW management is feeling the pinch.

Bon courage!
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Anything beyond contract parity needs to be done in coordination with our Atlas brothers in a JCBA. All this would do is eliminate “almagamation” and get the SouthernAir pilots out from under the onerous bankruptcy CBA we’ve been forced to live under since the Atlas purchase of Southern. If Atlas had not purchased us 2 years ago, we had contract language that would’ve forced management into arbitration in November 2016 and we would have had a new CBA already in place by now. Would’ve it have been equal to Kalitta or Omni? Who knows. However, it would’ve been much better than this dog of a CBA we’ve operated under for over 11 years...that’s right..11 years with only a slight mod post bankruptcy.
If Atlas wouldnt have purchased Southern it would have went the way of the dodo bird!
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Southern was small but profitable...making about $12 million a year prior to the purchase. The bankruptcy shed a lot of debt (at the expense of the creditors). However, with small earnings it was difficult to lease additional 777s. Customers wanted 777s but weren’t willing to commit until a plane was on property for them. Little Ol’ Southern didn’t have the cash to buy or get the banks commit to a lease that runs $1.3 million a month or more unless they already had a customer. Atlas didn’t buy Southern because it was losing money. It’s made them a tidy profit the last 2 years.
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If Atlas wouldnt have purchased Southern it would have went the way of the dodo bird!

That is what they said about Polar as well! But they did so now you get to live with it.
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So the bigger question is why would you want to work at a company where the morale is low and all the pilots are ****ed off?
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That is what they said about Polar as well! But they did so now you get to live with it.
Fr8dog 7, I worked at Polar just prior to the acquisition of Polar by Atlas. Polar was owned by GECAS, prior to that Ned Wallace of Flying Tigers, who sold that to Fedex..now he is in bed with Kalitta. When I was there Polar received purchase enquiries from United (Polars sales director went to run United Cargo.. at the time they were operating DC-10 freighters...trying establish a diverse product like NWA Cargo) and also Fedex. Atlas’ board was full of GE execs at the time and Polar was owned by GECAS, about the same time the DOT stopped the transfer of routes with purchase and dissolution of a carrier, so the Polar routes and 5th freedom rights would go back into the pot to be bid by everyone if Polar ceased ops....thats the only reason the Polar name survived the purchase...the routes. As far as Southern if it wasnt for the original acquisition by Oak Hill Partners (owned 360)..Southern would have died then with the clapped out classics. Cargo 360 had the 777 order and Southern got their first 777 run CDG-BKK-DBX from Focus Air as they had the Thai Airways contract. Im happy the SA guys got whats fair and not be a pawn in a game, but the truth is SA has been on life support a couple of times and revived by other companies investment, not their stellar management decision making. Now you live with history. To my friends at Southern...not a diss best of luck!

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Fr8dog 7, I worked at Polar just prior to the acquisition of Polar by Atlas. Polar was owned by GECAS, prior to that Ned Wallace of Flying Tigers, who sold that to Fedex..now he is in bed with Kalitta. When I was there Polar received purchase enquiries from United (Polars sales director went to run United Cargo.. at the time they were operating DC-10 freighters...trying establish a diverse product like NWA Cargo) and also Fedex. Atlas’ board was full of GE execs at the time and Polar was owned by GECAS, about the same time the DOT stopped the transfer of routes with purchase and dissolution of a carrier, so the Polar routes and 5th freedom rights would go back into the pot to be bid by everyone if Polar ceased ops....thats the only reason the Polar name survived the purchase...the routes. As far as Southern if it wasnt for the original acquisition by Oak Hill Partners (owned 360)..Southern would have died then with the clapped out classics. Cargo 360 had the 777 order and Southern got their first 777 run CDG-BKK-DBX from Focus Air as they had the Thai Airways contract. Im happy the SA guys got whats fair and not be a pawn in a game, but the truth is SA has been on life support a couple of times and revived by other companies investment, not their stellar management decision making. Now you live with history. To my friends at Southern...not a diss best of luck!
It's not that simple, using your rationale Kalitta should have gone before Southern. They ran Classics longer than Southern.

No, your wrong. some companies are airlines, others are entities to be sold off. That would be more what the Neff model is about. Bet he does the same thing with Western Global.

Oh, and Cargo 360 was more of a money pit than Southern ever was. It was run by Delta pilots. Wanna see an airline go down the tubes? Let pilots run it. Lots of defunct pilot run airlines, thats' reality.
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