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Dick Steel 02-27-2018 04:22 PM

Southern Air Hiring: Life on the Line
 
Hello All, Southern Air is planning a lot of hiring in the new year. Those that may be interested may have a lot of questions about what they could expect out on the line. This is my experience so far as a 737 pilot. This purpose of the thread is to provide the good, the bad and the ugly so to speak. Any other Southern Air pilots feel free to chime in. Please stick to the facts and keep the emotions in check.

Schedules-5 airplanes. Layovers are Winnipeg, Sacramento, Kansas City, Denver and Omaha. Winnipeg and Sacramento are about 30 hours. The others can be as little as 10. Expect to do hub turns coming off of the shorter layovers.

The Good-
-Freight is easy
-Good Crews to fly with
-If you live in Cincinnati, extra nights at home
-Good Support from CP and Associates
-If the merger ever goes through with Atlas good career potential may exist

The Bad-
-No home basing
-SOC with Atlas has been delayed twice
-Commuters often need a crashpad or have to pay for a hotel room
-No jumpseat agreements with Delta or Southwest
-If you're not a resident of KY, OH or IN, there are extra tax liabilities.
-Pilot Contract for 2018 is highly unlikely
-737 has a three year equipment lock
-Hope you like night time flying

Again not trying to influence anyone as I don't know your situation. There have been times in my career where I would liked a few more facts before making a decision on changing jobs. Hopefully this thread will provide you with some insight and you can make the decision that's best for you and your family.

DC8DRIVER 02-27-2018 06:23 PM

And don't forget:

Southern
1st year FO - $61/hr = $44,652/year
5th year FO - $77/hr = $56,364/year
12th year FO - $95/hr = $69,540/year

3rd year CA - $114/hr = $83,488/year
5th year CA - $122/hr = $89,304/year
12th year CA - $150/hr = $109,800/year

Monthly guarantee: 61 hours (737)



(and just for laughs:)

Southwest
1st year FO - $79/hr = $73,944/year
5th year FO - $155/hr = $145,080/year
12th year FO -$180/hr = $168,480/year

3rd year CA - $233/hr = $218,088/year
5th year CA - $238/hr = $222,768/year
12th year CA - $258/hr = $241,488/year

Monthly guarantee: 78 hours

And read all about the Southern work rules ... (or lack thereof ...)

zerozero 02-27-2018 07:07 PM

Both Atlas and Southern CBAs are posted on www.atlasfacts.org FYI.

Do your due diligence before accepting a position at either company. Just because the aircraft are bigger and the destinations more exotic doesn't mean the pay and work rules are on par with other heavy international operators.

Lugar 02-28-2018 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerozero (Post 2538986)
Both Atlas and Southern CBAs are posted on AtlasFacts.org FYI.

Do your due diligence before accepting a position at either company. Just because the aircraft are bigger and the destinations more exotic doesn't mean the pay and work rules are on par with other heavy international operators.

If you are lacking a degree, but want international heavy experience, Atlas is a great choice. Thanks to the Internet, there really shouldnít be any surprises going in.

motorclutch 02-28-2018 06:40 AM

Lets not forget.........the words from a former Southern Air President
" Southern Air's contract is as good as the paper its written on!"

Lugar 02-28-2018 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motorclutch (Post 2539211)
Lets not forget.........the words from a former Southern Air President
" Southern Air's contract is as good as the paper its written on!"

Which, depending on the quality of paper, can mean itís great, or might mean itís awful.

TiredSoul 02-28-2018 07:10 AM

DC8driver; youíre conveniently forgetting how much harder it swould to get into SouthWest then Southern.
I have a 73 type and after 3x not even getting the time of day from SW moved on.
You can compare anything to anything but if youíre not getting hired itís a mute point.
Southern could still be a good starter airline. Nobody says itís a destination.
Pay is commensurate with Miami Air and Swift.

captjns 02-28-2018 08:12 AM

Southern, WGA, Swift, Miami Air, etal. are stepping stone airlines until the dream airline comes knocking on your door with a job offer.

That said, the menu of life is limited. Either you sit by and wait for an eternity waiting for DAL, AA, SW, UAL, JB to call... remain where you are, building time, or apply with and take a job with one of the lower tiered ACMI carriers.

At the end of the day, pi$$ing and moaning ainít gonna get you on with your dream carrier... is it?:rolleyes:

TiredSoul 02-28-2018 05:43 PM

Amen....^^^^

JohnBurke 03-01-2018 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2539317)
Southern, WGA, Swift, Miami Air, etal. are stepping stone airlines until the dream airline comes knocking on your door with a job offer.

To some, perhaps.


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