HwkrPlt

Atlas has to sign a new contract at some point, and chances are it will at least match Kalitta if not exceed it.

RyeMex

I really am not a pessimist. In fact, I came to atlas with the plan that it would be my career airline.

That being said, we are, at a minimum, likely 2 years away from a contract. And the likelihood that it will be a contract through amalgamation, which means that the pilot group will have no vote and no say in the matter, is extremely high.

Add on top of that the fact that there are a very large number of people coming through training who are being failed and fired. More than I thought that we’d ever see. Do you really want to have to explain a 121 pink slip at your next interview?

Every single person I know who has been here for more than 6 months is doing everything that they possibly can to leave (and that’s because it will be 4 month from date of hire until you start OE, all the while earning $1,600/month). The guys who came here before they got 1,000 hours of TPIC are absolutely kicking themselves because that means that they are stuck here. And even when you eventually upgrade you will log, at most, 300 hours a year.

Don’t dig yourself into a hole that you can’t get out of by coming here.

This place could have been a great airline, but it isn’t. And it won’t be.

CargoPirate

Your right. AT SOME POINT.

But we are years away from that point.

And chances are it will not be a contract we VOTE ON! It now looks like we are going to lose the lawsuit and eventually the arbiter is going to impose a contract on us.

How much do you want to bet that the arbiter believes the company when they say they need relief from the current work rules. The company is already asking for work rule concessions from the pilots.

Ask yourself why would you want to come to a company where 75% plus of the pilots are trying to get the hell out of!

There are so many better places to go.

flyinggolfer

Classes are running at end of every month, 12 per class.

maxjet

This is very true. A lack of PIC time is probably the biggest obstacle that regional pilots face when coming to training at a place like K4.

You are expected to think like a Captain when getting your PIC type, and be a Captain when working the line. For part of most flights the PIC is in the back. If you are used to “thinking” you are in charge But working for the Captain in the left seat instead of “being” in charge and working with the Captain or First Officer in the left seat this will be a big issue for you to overcome.

It is a big issue because there is no training and no book to read that gives you this experience.

HVYMETALDRVR

I ran the numbers, WGA pays more than Atlas for CA or FO, except for a year 12 Atlas CA. This being based on min guarantee (or the 17 days on for WGA), income taxes, the imputed taxes (I assumed 250/mo but I heard it could be higher) at Atlas, union dues (Atlas only), per diem etc. WGA has the 10k retention and last year paid something like a 6% bonuses to the guys that didn't call off during peak season, early November to January.

I didn't bother with OT. I know its super abundant at WGA, like 2nd year guys clearing 120k w/ per diem. You will work your tail off though, like 3 leg days in Africa and 24 hour duty on the -11. Atlas on the other hand will probably have a contract in the future that will be Kalitta+, eventually. Rising tide lifts all boats I guess.

Twin Wasp

When Atlas bought Southern it was suggested to bring Southern pilots up to the Atlas compensation level and then continue the negotiations from there. Which brought about the infamous "Why, I'm a business man" response. You can look at that in a couple ways. They obviously don't want to spend an extra dollar until they absolutely have to. And if the economy craters while the negotiations continue they'll say there's no money. Also if it goes to amalgamation there are goalposts at each end of the spectrum. By leaving Southern so low they have room to drag the amalgamated contract back from where Atlas pilots are now. I've talked to a few friends at Southern, there is nothing in Southern's contract that is better than Atlas'. (Cue Cliff and home basing in 3,2,1..)

Oddly enough they had no problem bringing the Southern dispatchers up to Atlas pay.

FR8Dog7

rotflmfao! :d

Screwed

...Namaste

manolo1492

I enjoyed my time at Atlas (ex regional), was there for one year. Nobody (I mean NOBODY) at the time would touch western global with a 15’ pole. Can’t imagine things have changed that much at Altals since 2016 that would make me choose western global instead, if I were in those shoes now. Good luck on your decision!