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Old 03-11-2018, 04:18 AM
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One has got to love the dick measuring contests; they speak directly to maturity of the poster.

It's fine to brag up your company, right up to the point that you begin belittling others because they don't have what you have.

Perhaps others don't want it. Perhaps they don't have it. Perhaps they can't get it.

Some will have to get over the fact that not every one is employed by the same company.

Companies have distinct advantages and disadvantages. Daily rates vs. hourly, domiciles vs. homebasing, imputed income, fast upgrade vs longer company history, union vs. not, aircraft type vs. aircraft type, travel benefits, and so forth; all things to consider, but don't get wrapped up in the stupidity of playing 'who's best.' Does a prospective employer meet your needs? Will it benefit you? Are they offering you employment where others are not? Are you a good fit for that company? Can you see yourself there in five years? Ten years? Is it your career progression? Will it help? Hurt?

Western Global is growing. It offers higher training pay, hotel during training, first year pay, home basing, quicker captain upgrade, etc. It has daily rates vs. hourly flight rates. It's non-union. It flies a different aircraft type. It's a newer operation under current name and form.

Other employers pay more. Others pay less. Others have longer upgrades, longer company history, and fly types more common between operators. Few offer the upgrade timeline on widebody equipment flying internationally that is possible at Western Global, at the present time. Others pay by the flight hour in a traditional model, Western Global pays a daily rate. These are useful metrics when trying to determine if an employer is a good fit for you, and you for the employer. Number of days expected in the field. Overtime required or available. Because the advantages are right for you does not make them right for someone else. Because others choose to work there but you do not does not make their choice wrong.

It's possible that everyone wants to work for UPS or FedEx; it's possible that they don't. Not everyone gets the chance. Not everyone wants it. Apply to multiple companies; not all will offer an interview, not all will offer a job. If you have multiple choices, you may have your pick of employers. This will not be the case for most.

If you're torn between Atlas and Western Global, have you applied to both? Have both offered you interviews? Have both offered you employment as a result of an interview? Then you have options. Choose what works best for you. If Atlas has interviewed you and offered, but Western has not, then you could hold out in the hopes that Western will call, but you have a bird in the hand, vs. one in the Bush. The same is true the other way around, or it could be holding out for ABX or UPS or whatever name you wish to stick in there. The theory is nice, but what's reality? Who's offering you the job. Will you take it?

Don't measure anatomy. Look at your options. Are any of these employers giving you the option? Start there.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
One has got to love the dick measuring contests; they speak directly to maturity of the poster.

It's fine to brag up your company, right up to the point that you begin belittling others because they don't have what you have.

Perhaps others don't want it. Perhaps they don't have it. Perhaps they can't get it.

Some will have to get over the fact that not every one is employed by the same company.

Companies have distinct advantages and disadvantages. Daily rates vs. hourly, domiciles vs. homebasing, imputed income, fast upgrade vs longer company history, union vs. not, aircraft type vs. aircraft type, travel benefits, and so forth; all things to consider, but don't get wrapped up in the stupidity of playing 'who's best.' Does a prospective employer meet your needs? Will it benefit you? Are they offering you employment where others are not? Are you a good fit for that company? Can you see yourself there in five years? Ten years? Is it your career progression? Will it help? Hurt?

Western Global is growing. It offers higher training pay, hotel during training, first year pay, home basing, quicker captain upgrade, etc. It has daily rates vs. hourly flight rates. It's non-union. It flies a different aircraft type. It's a newer operation under current name and form.

Other employers pay more. Others pay less. Others have longer upgrades, longer company history, and fly types more common between operators. Few offer the upgrade timeline on widebody equipment flying internationally that is possible at Western Global, at the present time. Others pay by the flight hour in a traditional model, Western Global pays a daily rate. These are useful metrics when trying to determine if an employer is a good fit for you, and you for the employer. Number of days expected in the field. Overtime required or available. Because the advantages are right for you does not make them right for someone else. Because others choose to work there but you do not does not make their choice wrong.

It's possible that everyone wants to work for UPS or FedEx; it's possible that they don't. Not everyone gets the chance. Not everyone wants it. Apply to multiple companies; not all will offer an interview, not all will offer a job. If you have multiple choices, you may have your pick of employers. This will not be the case for most.

If you're torn between Atlas and Western Global, have you applied to both? Have both offered you interviews? Have both offered you employment as a result of an interview? Then you have options. Choose what works best for you. If Atlas has interviewed you and offered, but Western has not, then you could hold out in the hopes that Western will call, but you have a bird in the hand, vs. one in the Bush. The same is true the other way around, or it could be holding out for ABX or UPS or whatever name you wish to stick in there. The theory is nice, but what's reality? Who's offering you the job. Will you take it?

Don't measure anatomy. Look at your options. Are any of these employers giving you the option? Start there.
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Old 03-11-2018, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GeelErmo View Post
Yes sir. Do research plz. Ask around!)
True, that. The ABX guys are my heroes, especially RZ. Soap Scum's up for a good old fashioned a$$-whoopin'.
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Originally Posted by manolo1492 View Post
I enjoyed my time at Atlas (ex regional), was there for one year. Nobody (I mean NOBODY) at the time would touch western global with a 15’ pole. Can’t imagine things have changed that much at Altals since 2016 that would make me choose western global instead, if I were in those shoes now..
Was western global flying ups pilots’ trips back then too?

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Old 03-14-2018, 09:32 PM
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Teamsters at Atlas lose another one. See lawsuits. No new contract any time soon. And when it does come, looks like it will be forced bankruptcy contract from SA and old outdated, archaic, ridiculous Atlas what they seem to think is a contract.
This place going from bad to worse, everyone expecting a hull loss soon (stated by check airmen and instructors).

Lowest paid in the industry dont waste your time , no new contract for years to come. Dont let the recruiters lie to you.
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Old 03-15-2018, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Stratocruzr View Post
Teamsters at Atlas lose another one. See lawsuits. No new contract any time soon. And when it does come, looks like it will be forced bankruptcy contract from SA and old outdated, archaic, ridiculous Atlas what they seem to think is a contract.
This place going from bad to worse, everyone expecting a hull loss soon (stated by check airmen and instructors).

Lowest paid in the industry dont waste your time , no new contract for years to come. Dont let the recruiters lie to you.
Just to support this sentiment, the Atlas recruiters were telling potential victims at the WAI job fair this time last year that Atlas would have a contract in 6 months. That was a year ago and we are still light years away. They only care about tricking you into taking the job and they’ll tell you whatever it takes. Does that sound like an employer that respects you as a professional?

And if that isn’t conniving enough for you, remember that they were setting appointments for recruits to speak to Atlas only to be sat down in front of a Southern Air recruiter when the time actually came. That’s pretty low, mister.

Have some respect for yourself. Allegiant is hiring.
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw View Post

Have some respect for yourself. Allegiant is hiring.
Omni will have a decent contract in short order. Go get a wide-body type to spruce up your resume.
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