Cargo job/lifestyle questions
04-19-2018, 09:47 PM
#21
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 83
Originally Posted by gollum
At Kalitta, we actually have pretty good work rules and a Chief Pilot who actually will step in and help you enforce those rules. No junior manning, no hold outs beyond your 16 scheduled days, no jumpseating to/from work or imputed income (increased taxable income) from company purchased tickets and most importantly, no crashpads.
Atlas as well with the exception of imputed income.
Kalitta’s max double crew day is 24 hours followed by 22 hours of rest, so you are either thinking of someone else or just wrong. The 2-pilot (14 hours) and 3-pilot (17 hours) duty days are also pretty tolerable.
As I said before probable confusing with another carrier. Atlas 20 hours.
Kalitta has line guarantees. sorry that ATLAS doesn’t.
Agree
While seniority doesn’t help you get more days off it does help with getting the days you want off and getting those 85-90 hour lines. Me personally, I like knowing I am on the road for my 16 work days and then I am home for two weeks and not having to make multiple commutes to/from work eating into my time off. I guess it’s a different story if you live in/near base with a major but I like where I live and don’t want to move.
My point here: it’s all well and good that life at ATLAS is pretty poor right now and we sympathize with you, but when you try and dissuade someone from for a company, how about you stick to speaking for your own company and not a place you don’t work for.
When I first applied here I considered it a stepping stone (and a really good one) but since getting hired I have stopped updating my apps other places. It’s a great culture on the line and great people to fly with.
Atlas as well with the exception of imputed income.
Kalitta’s max double crew day is 24 hours followed by 22 hours of rest, so you are either thinking of someone else or just wrong. The 2-pilot (14 hours) and 3-pilot (17 hours) duty days are also pretty tolerable.
As I said before probable confusing with another carrier. Atlas 20 hours.
Kalitta has line guarantees. sorry that ATLAS doesn’t.
Agree
While seniority doesn’t help you get more days off it does help with getting the days you want off and getting those 85-90 hour lines. Me personally, I like knowing I am on the road for my 16 work days and then I am home for two weeks and not having to make multiple commutes to/from work eating into my time off. I guess it’s a different story if you live in/near base with a major but I like where I live and don’t want to move.
My point here: it’s all well and good that life at ATLAS is pretty poor right now and we sympathize with you, but when you try and dissuade someone from for a company, how about you stick to speaking for your own company and not a place you don’t work for.
When I first applied here I considered it a stepping stone (and a really good one) but since getting hired I have stopped updating my apps other places. It’s a great culture on the line and great people to fly with.
You’ve made my point perfectly. Poor work rules, you may be fine now but to tolerate that the rest of your career?? No thanks.
ACMI carriers are the bottom of the barrel. Everyone knows that. You may have found it works for you, that’s cool. But If you have the ability to avoid it, why not.
04-19-2018, 10:03 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Licking the window
Posts: 461
Originally Posted by Stratocruzr
I was clear from the get go, may be confusing with annother ****box ACMI.
You’ve made my point perfectly. Poor work rules, you may be fine now but to tolerate that the rest of your career?? No thanks.
ACMI carriers are the bottom of the barrel. Everyone knows that. You may have found it works for you, that’s cool. But If you have the ability to avoid it, why not.
You’ve made my point perfectly. Poor work rules, you may be fine now but to tolerate that the rest of your career?? No thanks.
ACMI carriers are the bottom of the barrel. Everyone knows that. You may have found it works for you, that’s cool. But If you have the ability to avoid it, why not.
Don’t lump that in with doing night hub turns out of CVG for pennies and overnighting in the armpit of Texas.
04-20-2018, 01:57 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
Originally Posted by Stratocruzr
I was clear from the get go, may be confusing with annother ****box ACMI.
You’ve made my point perfectly. Poor work rules, you may be fine now but to tolerate that the rest of your career?? No thanks.
ACMI carriers are the bottom of the barrel. Everyone knows that. You may have found it works for you, that’s cool. But If you have the ability to avoid it, why not.
You’ve made my point perfectly. Poor work rules, you may be fine now but to tolerate that the rest of your career?? No thanks.
ACMI carriers are the bottom of the barrel. Everyone knows that. You may have found it works for you, that’s cool. But If you have the ability to avoid it, why not.
Even if they have better “work rules”, the reality is that their “working life style” as a commuter sucks compared to what I do at K4, and I can say this with zero doubt, having experienced it.
Not only am I making six figures from the start, I am also not spending money on hotels, and only splurge on food by choice. I could eat enough on the airplane(absolutely no shortage of food), and with free breakfast at most places, be good until I get back to the airplane.
Now excuse me, it’s a beautiful day here in Europe, going to go for a nice walk and enjoy the sights.
04-20-2018, 05:53 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: FO
Posts: 3,032
Originally Posted by ocskyguy
Okay. Let’s look at the math. UPS or FedEx, never gonna make captain with ten years to go. So...
Retirement is better at brown or purple. But, if you are chucking $20k plus into a 401 for 10 years, with a $10k match, plus a low growth factor of around 4%, you got around $400k. And you get to factor in a waaayy shorter path to upgrade with the potential to crack $250 plus each year.
The big boys are good for young pilots. But, places like K4 make more sense for the 40+ crowd.
Retirement is better at brown or purple. But, if you are chucking $20k plus into a 401 for 10 years, with a $10k match, plus a low growth factor of around 4%, you got around $400k. And you get to factor in a waaayy shorter path to upgrade with the potential to crack $250 plus each year.
The big boys are good for young pilots. But, places like K4 make more sense for the 40+ crowd.
8% B-fund will net him more than a 10k in company match after the first year. Plus he’ll be accruing a pension.
04-20-2018, 07:33 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 233
Try this for a week:
- Monday - Get up at 3am. Go to bed at Noon. Get Up at Midnight.
- Tuesday - Stay up until Noon. Go to bed. Sleep 4 hours. Get up and have dinner. Go to bed and get up at 3 am. No, wait...the phone rang. NOW, get up at Midnight.
- Wednesday - Stay up for 21 hours. Double crew so you get a nap on the plane. Get to destination. Take 24 hours off- But, plan sleep/naps carefully- things will probably change.
- Thursday - Randomly get up and go back to bed every time you think you should or shouldn't.
- Friday - WHATEVER...You get the picture. I can guarantee you won't continue this past Friday because you are tired of feeling like Dog $h!T all day everyday.
OH...UNLESS it's for The God Almighty Dollar...Then you will do this to yourself for 16 days in a row.
Lather, rinse, repeat, and destroy your health so that you never make it to 65 anyway, and then you can leave large chunks of money to others that you will never have the time to enjoy.
Yay!
Seriously, get on with any of the Major/Legacy pax carriers, MOVE and live in base, and maintain a much healthier lifestyle so that you may enjoy all the rest of the days you have left on the planet.
ACMI IS a Blast...and some of the best flying I have done but, it is a young man's game. Don't be doing this to yourself when you are 55 years old!
The only reason people ever did is because there were few alternatives for many decades and they got STUCK.
You have options in the current hiring situation that have NEVER been present before in the history of the Industry here in the USA.
Good Luck and Godspeed whatever you do..!
STK
- Monday - Get up at 3am. Go to bed at Noon. Get Up at Midnight.
- Tuesday - Stay up until Noon. Go to bed. Sleep 4 hours. Get up and have dinner. Go to bed and get up at 3 am. No, wait...the phone rang. NOW, get up at Midnight.
- Wednesday - Stay up for 21 hours. Double crew so you get a nap on the plane. Get to destination. Take 24 hours off- But, plan sleep/naps carefully- things will probably change.
- Thursday - Randomly get up and go back to bed every time you think you should or shouldn't.
- Friday - WHATEVER...You get the picture. I can guarantee you won't continue this past Friday because you are tired of feeling like Dog $h!T all day everyday.
OH...UNLESS it's for The God Almighty Dollar...Then you will do this to yourself for 16 days in a row.
Lather, rinse, repeat, and destroy your health so that you never make it to 65 anyway, and then you can leave large chunks of money to others that you will never have the time to enjoy.
Yay!
Seriously, get on with any of the Major/Legacy pax carriers, MOVE and live in base, and maintain a much healthier lifestyle so that you may enjoy all the rest of the days you have left on the planet.
ACMI IS a Blast...and some of the best flying I have done but, it is a young man's game. Don't be doing this to yourself when you are 55 years old!
The only reason people ever did is because there were few alternatives for many decades and they got STUCK.
You have options in the current hiring situation that have NEVER been present before in the history of the Industry here in the USA.
Good Luck and Godspeed whatever you do..!
STK
04-20-2018, 08:46 AM
#28
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by ocskyguy
Okay. Let’s look at the math. UPS or FedEx, never gonna make captain with ten years to go. So...
Retirement is better at brown or purple. But, if you are chucking $20k plus into a 401 for 10 years, with a $10k match, plus a low growth factor of around 4%, you got around $400k. And you get to factor in a waaayy shorter path to upgrade with the potential to crack $250 plus each year.
The big boys are good for young pilots. But, places like K4 make more sense for the 40+ crowd.
Retirement is better at brown or purple. But, if you are chucking $20k plus into a 401 for 10 years, with a $10k match, plus a low growth factor of around 4%, you got around $400k. And you get to factor in a waaayy shorter path to upgrade with the potential to crack $250 plus each year.
The big boys are good for young pilots. But, places like K4 make more sense for the 40+ crowd.
04-20-2018, 08:51 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by gollum
At Kalitta, we actually have pretty good work rules and a Chief Pilot who actually will step in and help you enforce those rules. No junior manning, no hold outs beyond your 16 scheduled days, no jumpseating to/from work or imputed income (increased taxable income) from company purchased tickets and most importantly, no crashpads.
Kalitta’s max double crew day is 24 hours followed by 22 hours of rest, so you are either thinking of someone else or just wrong. The 2-pilot (14 hours) and 3-pilot (17 hours) duty days are also pretty tolerable.
Kalitta has line guarantees. sorry that ATLAS doesn’t.
While seniority doesn’t help you get more days off it does help with getting the days you want off and getting those 85-90 hour lines. Me personally, I like knowing I am on the road for my 16 work days and then I am home for two weeks and not having to make multiple commutes to/from work eating into my time off. I guess it’s a different story if you live in/near base with a major but I like where I live and don’t want to move.
My point here: it’s all well and good that life at ATLAS is pretty poor right now and we sympathize with you, but when you try and dissuade someone from for a company, how about you stick to speaking for your own company and not a place you don’t work for.
When I first applied here I considered it a stepping stone (and a really good one) but since getting hired I have stopped updating my apps other places. It’s a great culture on the line and great people to fly with.
Kalitta’s max double crew day is 24 hours followed by 22 hours of rest, so you are either thinking of someone else or just wrong. The 2-pilot (14 hours) and 3-pilot (17 hours) duty days are also pretty tolerable.
Kalitta has line guarantees. sorry that ATLAS doesn’t.
While seniority doesn’t help you get more days off it does help with getting the days you want off and getting those 85-90 hour lines. Me personally, I like knowing I am on the road for my 16 work days and then I am home for two weeks and not having to make multiple commutes to/from work eating into my time off. I guess it’s a different story if you live in/near base with a major but I like where I live and don’t want to move.
My point here: it’s all well and good that life at ATLAS is pretty poor right now and we sympathize with you, but when you try and dissuade someone from for a company, how about you stick to speaking for your own company and not a place you don’t work for.
When I first applied here I considered it a stepping stone (and a really good one) but since getting hired I have stopped updating my apps other places. It’s a great culture on the line and great people to fly with.
04-20-2018, 08:58 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by Locke
It’s obvious that you’ve had a bad experience with one of the ACMI carriers, but K4 is hardly the bottom of the barrel. While the contract has its flaws, it’s a place you can make six figures your first year without trying, party around the world while on the clock, and golf two weeks out of every month. That’s a pretty good lifestyle.
Don’t lump that in with doing night hub turns out of CVG for pennies and overnighting in the armpit of Texas.
Don’t lump that in with doing night hub turns out of CVG for pennies and overnighting in the armpit of Texas.
I'd take the legacies, UPS, FedEx, Southwest, Spirit, ATI, and Omni for sure ahead of K4. I suspect I'd take JetBlue as well. That doesn't mean that I'd leave K4 for all of those if I were a Captain though...
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