Industry Strnd

On e if your posts you say you have a "few friends at ATI" if so why are you on here asking for facts? It's obvious you're management or ALPA trying anything to find anything that covers up a horrible airline trying it's best to get anyone to apply.

nitefr8dog

Thread Drift is good....keeps things lively. After all this is a discussion forum...we are not curing cancer or trying to solve world hunger.

B727DRVR

Or maybe I don’t want to hurt their feelings (all 2 of them) by asking how bad things are for their career, and get an outside opinion from others. And also, because the previous threads were trashed by others saying only ATI and their pilots suck, without explaining why. A simple search of my posts will reveal that I am obviously not a management apologist, and actually a cancer survivor that has been out of flying for 3 years and out of 121 cargo since 10/2007.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t want to keep track of what’s going on.

OverGMcGee

Midnight, L8frt, Astar, myself are ATI

I feel this is a good place to be. Movement starting all over the list. This week a fairly senior capt resigned and went to Fedex. I know others are waiting on UPS. Lots of FO's are hitting Major/Legacy etc.

Dont Bash me on this PLZ

The contract here was front loaded with no retirement. They wanted a revolving door to keep cost down. Training cost are irrelevant cuz they use sub contractors and sim time probably isn't that hi.


This is a great time to be in aviation everyone is benefiting and if you dont want to stay in ACMI you dont have to.

nitefr8dog

Congrats on a tough battle......stay away from ACMI.

B727DRVR

LOL, don't worry... Slowly getting back Medicals and easing back into flying, it's coffee, ice, and papers for me.. along with flying the occasional group of skydivers.

You guys keep storming the ACMI beaches to make things better for all pilots!

Fly safe and thanks....

midnightshuttle

Some junior caps recently did Delta interviews. Several senior guys are in line at Brown. Others doing that commuter outfit in the 73’s. FedEx is tough. The few that made it will do well there and might open the door for others. They wont give up on the bachelors as a minimum though.

B727DRVR

Hey,

This was some pretty good info on ATI.. About a third of the questions I asked, but a good start.

Since it's mainly ABX pilots posting on here anyway, how about we start a similar thread for ABX with the many questions not answered on the profiles..?

The hopelessness threads answer a lot of questions about stagnation, upgrade potential, shrinking fleet, contentious pilot/management relations, but never any of the ones that I posted for prospective ATI pilots. You know..., the same ones I posted for ATI. Like.. KCM? ID 90's or ID anythings? Training pay, per diem, and accommodations? Etc?

How about training? ABX has a historically tough reputation with regard to training and high failure rates? Some say that they prided themselves on that.. Is the Aryan Brotherhood still alive and well there in the training department or have they moved on? I believe that I had asked that once before, but don't recall much of a response. AQP? Any retirement beyond 401K? Questions like that.

I mean, to be fair, you guys should put out ALL the information, not just the awful information, to let these ABX, and ATI, aspirants know what they are getting themselves into.. Just my opinion, of course..

tiredofjrm

Full salary from Day one. But no housing or per diem. You have to pay for your own place during training. Friends of mine elsewhere were getting training pay but a hotel and per diem. They made our way better.

No CASS till your finished. So if you wanna go home during training, be ready to pay for a ticket.

Training was fair. About the same as other airlines. The Aryan race must have left.

No ID nothing.

No chance of upward movement. We just lost more flying (SJO). This is a shrinking airline.

The retirement ended in 2009. Only 7.5% 401K contributions.

Do not come here!!! Learn from my mistake.

B727DRVR

Hey,

Thanks for your candor and for your informative post.

That helps answer the mundane questions that most pilots want to know.

Thanks again and I hope things get better for you guys, and the rest of the ACMI.