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Old 08-10-2018, 12:11 PM
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ATI pilot hiring window opens 13-17 August.
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by nightsky2 View Post
ATI pilot hiring window opens 13-17 August.
Yeah I bet pilots can't wait to apply and be known as a scab the rest of their career!

Work for an ACMI carrier that has a weak ALPA union who caved on a contract less than everyone else. If the same pilots go to K4 they will have much better pay, work rules and retirement.

Let's point out all the 40-50 yr old lifers who are captains not going any where.

Sign up for some of that 16 day in a row schedule with no ability to trip trade!
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd View Post
Yeah I bet pilots can't wait to apply and be known as a scab the rest of their career!

Work for an ACMI carrier that has a weak ALPA union who caved on a contract less than everyone else. If the same pilots go to K4 they will have much better pay, work rules and retirement.

Let's point out all the 40-50 yr old lifers who are captains not going any where.

Sign up for some of that 16 day in a row schedule with no ability to trip trade!
So there's no one on strike. Explain how they would become scabs. Our schedules are pretty good. At least we aren't 18 days on. What's the matter with being 40-50 years old? I knew this would bring out the haters. Now it's just fun watching you react.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd View Post
Yeah I bet pilots can't wait to apply and be known as a scab the rest of their career!

Work for an ACMI carrier that has a weak ALPA union who caved on a contract less than everyone else. If the same pilots go to K4 they will have much better pay, work rules and retirement.

Let's point out all the 40-50 yr old lifers who are captains not going any where.

Sign up for some of that 16 day in a row schedule with no ability to trip trade!

Enough of your blowhard crap. Last to first:


"Trip swapping by Pilots is permitted, providing no additional legal time
liabilities, or additional financial expense will be incurred by the Company.
Each Pilot accepting the swapped trip is responsible for the coverage of the trip. Each Pilot desiring to trade his trip must contact Crew Scheduling and confirm his desire to trade and receive approval from the Manager of Crew Scheduling or his designee, and if denied he may review with the Chief Pilot. Such approval will not be unreasonably withheld."


That's right there in our current crappy CBA for anyone to peruse. Either you're too stupid to read, or you prefer to make up your own self-serving story and vomit it out as fact.



It's not as easy, with purchased tickets and all, but we can still do it. So get over your damned self.


Pilots are where they are for their own reasons, age is only one factor. Get over your damned self.


Pilots going to K4 enjoy pretty much exactly the same as we do with only slight variations in the details. Which is MORE than you, clown. Get over your damned self.


There are no scabs flying the line at ATI. Period. ATI was not on strike. If 1224 had the balls to strike any customers instead of creating their fantasy-world "struck work area", and MOST IMPORTANTLY, if 1224 had the balls to at least give the ATI MEC a few hours notice that they were going to pull that crap, we could have come up with a way to help. But that wasn't the way they wanted to play. So now you feel justified in running around screaming epithets like a stuck pig. Guess what - NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD CARES. Just ask ANY AA, UA, DA, Brown, Purple, etc, pilot. Get over your damned self. You helped make the bed you're in. Now sleep in it.

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Old 08-11-2018, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by b707guy View Post
Enough of your blowhard crap. Last to first:


"Trip swapping by Pilots is permitted, providing no additional legal time
liabilities, or additional financial expense will be incurred by the Company.
Each Pilot accepting the swapped trip is responsible for the coverage of the trip. Each Pilot desiring to trade his trip must contact Crew Scheduling and confirm his desire to trade and receive approval from the Manager of Crew Scheduling or his designee, and if denied he may review with the Chief Pilot. Such approval will not be unreasonably withheld."


That's right there in our current crappy CBA for anyone to peruse. Either you're too stupid to read, or you prefer to make up your own self-serving story and vomit it out as fact.



It's not as easy, with purchased tickets and all, but we can still do it. So get over your damned self.


Pilots are where they are for their own reasons, age is only one factor. Get over your damned self.


Pilots going to K4 enjoy pretty much exactly the same as we do with only slight variations in the details. Which is MORE than you, clown. Get over your damned self.


There are no scabs flying the line at ATI. Period. ATI was not on strike. If 1224 had the balls to strike any customers instead of creating their fantasy-world "struck work area", and MOST IMPORTANTLY, if 1224 had the balls to at least give the ATI MEC a few hours notice that they were going to pull that crap, we could have come up with a way to help. But that wasn't the way they wanted to play. So now you feel justified in running around screaming epithets like a stuck pig. Guess what - NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD CARES. Just ask ANY AA, UA, DA, Brown, Purple, etc, pilot. Get over your damned self. You helped make the bed you're in. Now sleep in it.
Potential new hires imagine flying with an angry captain who is upset his union didn't achieve any meaningfull scope to protect their flying.

No heavy jet scope and narrow body scope that expires!
Imagine working for an airline that has a retirement that is 10% less than nearly every carrier in the US. Imagine everytime you go into negotiations management threatens that you fly on the cheap or else your job disappears just like the regionals!
Then management comes on these boards and tries to paint a pretty picture of this great airline! Yep that's ATI!

The strike did happen and ATI crossed! ATI opposed a single carrier to stop the wipsaw. And ATI PILOTS voted yes to an agreement that was much less that even OMNIs TA at the same time. If you're seeking a job do you research. If you think Amazon will save the day, Google and see that they estimate 7 years to build out. Imagine being paid 10% less and 10% less in retirement for 7 years!!! And working 16 days in a row, with less days off than every airline in the world except maybe a few!
It's comical how some get on there and defend the worst acmi contract instead of trying to improve it.
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Old 08-11-2018, 06:22 AM
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The comment about “no ATI scabs flying the line” is false. How about we call it “two company strike breakers” both now as your VP and CP doing well at ATI. You guys get what you deserve.
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Old 08-11-2018, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd View Post
Potential new hires imagine flying with an angry captain who is upset his union didn't achieve any meaningfull scope to protect their flying.

No heavy jet scope and narrow body scope that expires!
Imagine working for an airline that has a retirement that is 10% less than nearly every carrier in the US. Imagine everytime you go into negotiations management threatens that you fly on the cheap or else your job disappears just like the regionals!
Then management comes on these boards and tries to paint a pretty picture of this great airline! Yep that's ATI!

The strike did happen and ATI crossed! ATI opposed a single carrier to stop the wipsaw. And ATI PILOTS voted yes to an agreement that was much less that even OMNIs TA at the same time. If you're seeking a job do you research. If you think Amazon will save the day, Google and see that they estimate 7 years to build out. Imagine being paid 10% less and 10% less in retirement for 7 years!!! And working 16 days in a row, with less days off than every airline in the world except maybe a few!
It's comical how some get on there and defend the worst acmi contract instead of trying to improve it.
Well said!! Plus imagine that if at any time during the lapse of those 7 years if the economy tanks ATSG management will want more concessions from you. So you are already at the bottom and will have to give up more. Not a good place to risk your younger years. Don’t go there!
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by motorclutch View Post
The comment about “no ATI scabs flying the line” is false. How about we call it “two company strike breakers” both now as your VP and CP doing well at ATI. You guys get what you deserve.

What's false about it? Which of them is flying the line? Jeez, one isn't even here yet.


As far as "getting what (you think) we deserve", at least we didn't ASK for it.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd View Post
Potential new hires imagine flying with an angry captain who is upset his union didn't achieve any meaningfull scope to protect their flying.

No heavy jet scope and narrow body scope that expires!
Imagine working for an airline that has a retirement that is 10% less than nearly every carrier in the US. Imagine everytime you go into negotiations management threatens that you fly on the cheap or else your job disappears just like the regionals!
Then management comes on these boards and tries to paint a pretty picture of this great airline! Yep that's ATI!

The strike did happen and ATI crossed! ATI opposed a single carrier to stop the wipsaw. And ATI PILOTS voted yes to an agreement that was much less that even OMNIs TA at the same time. If you're seeking a job do you research. If you think Amazon will save the day, Google and see that they estimate 7 years to build out. Imagine being paid 10% less and 10% less in retirement for 7 years!!! And working 16 days in a row, with less days off than every airline in the world except maybe a few!
It's comical how some get on there and defend the worst acmi contract instead of trying to improve it.

Broken record. Diarrhea left unchecked will do you in. Good luck to you!
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Old 10-16-2018, 10:07 AM
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F/O application window is open until 29 October. You must be able to get a US Government secret security clearance because of CRAF. Letters of recommendation from ATI pilots really help.
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