Life From a Relatively New Hire at ATI
10-16-2018, 01:05 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by nightsky2
F/O application window is open until 29 October. You must be able to get a US Government secret security clearance because of CRAF. Letters of recommendation from ATI pilots really help.
10-16-2018, 05:04 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
Must be willing to work on your days off for no extra pay if you're below gurantee. Must be willing to accept you're retirement and rates are less than everyone else in the industry flying the 767 and most of all you must accept ALPA has no balls!
Not sure what you’re talking about;
Section 25 H 6
For each Day off during which a Pilot works as a result of awarded Open Time from the volunteer list, he will receive credit towards his line value (i.e., guarantee) for the actual hours flown, plus four hours of pay above guarantee.
10-16-2018, 05:52 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by nightsky2
F/O application window is open until 29 October. You must be able to get a US Government secret security clearance because of CRAF. Letters of recommendation from ATI pilots really help.
We have guys that have quite the record here. Plus whomever told you that is full of crap!!!
10-16-2018, 06:34 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by midnightshuttle
I wouldn’t worry about that.
We have guys that have quite the record here. Plus whomever told you that is full of crap!!!
We have guys that have quite the record here. Plus whomever told you that is full of crap!!!
10-16-2018, 08:03 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by midnightshuttle
I wouldn’t worry about that.
We have guys that have quite the record here. Plus whomever told you that is full of crap!!!
We have guys that have quite the record here. Plus whomever told you that is full of crap!!!
“Must be able to qualify and pass a US Government secret clearance in the event of CRAF activation.”
So.... I ask you. Who exactly are you saying “is full of crap”??
12-06-2018, 08:24 AM
#58
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
Must be willing to work on your days off for no extra pay if you're below gurantee. Must be willing to accept you're retirement and rates are less than everyone else in the industry flying the 767 and most of all you must accept ALPA has no balls!
ABX pilot hired 4 years ago - pay around $121/hr
ATI pilot hired 4 years ago - pay around $197/hr
So we're clear - that's about 63% over ABX - which also flies 767's. That's an insane difference - in the ATI pilots favor.
I'll skip the QOL / work environment items (I know ABX pilots hate the home basing stuff and consider that a waste etc etc).
I think some misinformation that open time flying is not paid.
ATI definitely more willing to deal with mgmt. I think ABX was approached over rates for 777 flying and turned that down, ATSG got OMNI in part for 777 rates and highlighted the possibilities that brings - longer flying / DHL stuff? ABX approached with basically ATI deal and turned it down. ATI said yes. I think initially management thought they'd be investing a lot more into ABX side, and so really always approached them first, but I think those days are long gone now.
Will be interesting to track career progression of folks joining ABX and ATI going forward. Might not be so bad ATI side - some are already earning 63% more than same DOH ABX pilots it looks flying the same equipment. Don't ATI folks get raises soon too?
12-06-2018, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dynap09
Someone 4 years into ATI - likely now a captain with four year seniority.
ABX pilot hired 4 years ago - pay around $121/hr
ATI pilot hired 4 years ago - pay around $197/hr
So we're clear - that's about 63% over ABX - which also flies 767's. That's an insane difference - in the ATI pilots favor.
I'll skip the QOL / work environment items (I know ABX pilots hate the home basing stuff and consider that a waste etc etc).
I think some misinformation that open time flying is not paid.
ATI definitely more willing to deal with mgmt. I think ABX was approached over rates for 777 flying and turned that down, ATSG got OMNI in part for 777 rates and highlighted the possibilities that brings - longer flying / DHL stuff? ABX approached with basically ATI deal and turned it down. ATI said yes. I think initially management thought they'd be investing a lot more into ABX side, and so really always approached them first, but I think those days are long gone now.
Will be interesting to track career progression of folks joining ABX and ATI going forward. Might not be so bad ATI side - some are already earning 63% more than same DOH ABX pilots it looks flying the same equipment. Don't ATI folks get raises soon too?
ABX pilot hired 4 years ago - pay around $121/hr
ATI pilot hired 4 years ago - pay around $197/hr
So we're clear - that's about 63% over ABX - which also flies 767's. That's an insane difference - in the ATI pilots favor.
I'll skip the QOL / work environment items (I know ABX pilots hate the home basing stuff and consider that a waste etc etc).
I think some misinformation that open time flying is not paid.
ATI definitely more willing to deal with mgmt. I think ABX was approached over rates for 777 flying and turned that down, ATSG got OMNI in part for 777 rates and highlighted the possibilities that brings - longer flying / DHL stuff? ABX approached with basically ATI deal and turned it down. ATI said yes. I think initially management thought they'd be investing a lot more into ABX side, and so really always approached them first, but I think those days are long gone now.
Will be interesting to track career progression of folks joining ABX and ATI going forward. Might not be so bad ATI side - some are already earning 63% more than same DOH ABX pilots it looks flying the same equipment. Don't ATI folks get raises soon too?
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