Pilots who fly your holiday packages want...
11-29-2019, 05:28 AM
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Pilots who fly your holiday packages want...
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Didn’t realize working fewer days hurts pilots’ performance?!
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Pilots who fly your holiday packages want the same rest rules as the pilots who fly you to grandma’s
PUBLISHED FRI, NOV 29 20197:34 AM
Leslie Josephs
(Link - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/29/amaz...on-begins.html)
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KEY POINTS
Some House lawmakers are pushing to give cargo pilots rest periods that are more on par with passenger pilots.
Crews argue they shouldn’t have different rest rules than passenger pilots.
Shippers say they have their own systems to manage rest and that on-again-off-again passenger airline schedules could pose safety risks for cargo pilots.
As the peak holiday season ramps up for online retailers and shipping companies, cargo pilots that fly packages for Amazon, UPS and FedEx are pushing to work under the same rules as passenger pilots, a change that the industry says could pose safety hazards by abrupt schedule changes.
But some lawmakers think otherwise and are backing a single standard.
After lobbying from the package-delivery industry, cargo pilots were excluded from new rest requirements for pilots that took effect in 2014. Those rules required a minimum of 10 hours of rest for passenger pilots in between flights. Rest requirements for cargo pilots remained at eight hours.
Three House lawmakers — Reps. John Katko, R-N.Y., Salud Carbajal, D-Calif. and Matt Cartwright, D-Pa.— last week introduced the Safe Skies Act that would bring cargo pilots under the same rules as passenger pilots. A similar bill was reintroduced in the Senate earlier this year.
Several unions, including those representing pilots at UPS and FedEx, are urging lawmakers to make the change.
Some say a change is overdue.
“It’s ridiculous that we don’t [have the same rest rules for cargo pilots] and the only reason we don’t is for economic reasons,” said Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger, the former US Airways captain famed for his “Miracle on the Hudson” landing after a bird strike in January 2009. “Cargo pilots have the most demanding schedules. They are the ones who need the most protections.”
Robert Sumwalt, chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board, said the taxing job of flying long hours and crossing of multiple time zones pose concerns about cargo-pilot fatigue.
“A lot of the cargo pilots are on the back side of the clock, which introduces its own set of safety concerns with fatigue. That’s one major issue right there,” he said. “Cargo pilots are sharing the same airspace, flying into the same airports [as passenger pilots]. Why should there be a different level of safety?”
The stepped-up safety rules that were implemented in 2014 stemmed from NTSB recommendations after the February 2009 crash of a Colgan Air turboprop near Buffalo, N.Y. that killed all 49 on board and one person on the ground. The agency’s accident report cited fatigue and a need for more training — the last deadly U.S. passenger plane crash.
The Federal Aviation Administration said in a 2014 analysis that extending the same rest and duty rules to cargo-only airlines would provide a benefit of as much as $10 million, but the costs would be around $452 million and cargo pilots were subsequently left out of the new rules.
Pilots for Atlas Air Worldwide, one of the contractors Amazon uses for its package delivery services, have complained about fatigue and excessive overtime in recent months and are also pushing for the change.
The company said its pilots fly fewer segments than passenger pilots and that the current rules give its pilots better rest.
“Among all parties, there is a shared commitment to safety as the number one objective. Safety will never be compromised,” said Atlas spokeswoman Debbie Coffey.
Best use of rest
Industry members say their rest rules follow strict guidelines and that the nature of the job has different requirements and cargo pilots generally fly fewer, but longer trips, than passenger pilots.
Under the passenger rules, cargo pilots would have to work fewer days, which means more “first days” — think of it as a Monday after the long weekend — which could hurt performance since the first day back at work is the most difficult, said Steve Alterman, president of the Cargo Airline Association.
Others say that the use of rest is what’s important.
“It’s the airlines’ responsibility to ensure there is adequate time for pilots to rest, but it is the pilots’ responsibility to show up to work rested and ready to fly,” said Sharon Pinkerton, senior vice president for legislative and regulatory policy at Airlines for America, a trade group that represents most of the country’s big passenger and cargo airlines, including FedEx and UPS.
Cargo pilot fatigue came into focus again after an August 2013 crash of a UPS plane on approach into Birmingham, Alabama. Both pilots were killed, and the NTSB cited pilot fatigue as a contributing factor. It also said the first officer suffered acute sleep loss “resulting from her ineffective off-duty time management and circadian factors.”
Several company and industry officials said the rules must also account for pilot commuting.
Atlas said it offers a program in which it pays for hotel rooms for pilots before their trips so they can rest before their shifts. “This allows for well-rested pilots who enjoy the option of being able to choose where they live,” she said.
FedEx, which estimates about 70% of its pilots commute to their bases, says it takes a series of steps to mitigate risks from a lack of pilot rest, including sleep facilities at some airports and periodic reviews of routes whose schedules pilots find problematic. It also estimates that its layovers average 31 hours for international routes and that passenger flight layovers average 22.5 hours.
“In cooperation with our pilots, FedEx has developed the best, most scientifically advanced fatigue mitigation program in the airline industry,” the delivery giant said. “Cargo and passenger pilots have very different schedules, and forcing cargo pilots to fly according to a set of rules developed for distinct conditions in a different industry will make them less safe. One size does not fit all when it comes to air travel safety.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/29/amaz...on-begins.html
Didn’t realize working fewer days hurts pilots’ performance?!
(see the quote highlighted in red)
_____
_____
Pilots who fly your holiday packages want the same rest rules as the pilots who fly you to grandma’s
PUBLISHED FRI, NOV 29 20197:34 AM
Leslie Josephs
(Link - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/29/amaz...on-begins.html)
____
KEY POINTS
Some House lawmakers are pushing to give cargo pilots rest periods that are more on par with passenger pilots.
Crews argue they shouldn’t have different rest rules than passenger pilots.
Shippers say they have their own systems to manage rest and that on-again-off-again passenger airline schedules could pose safety risks for cargo pilots.
As the peak holiday season ramps up for online retailers and shipping companies, cargo pilots that fly packages for Amazon, UPS and FedEx are pushing to work under the same rules as passenger pilots, a change that the industry says could pose safety hazards by abrupt schedule changes.
But some lawmakers think otherwise and are backing a single standard.
After lobbying from the package-delivery industry, cargo pilots were excluded from new rest requirements for pilots that took effect in 2014. Those rules required a minimum of 10 hours of rest for passenger pilots in between flights. Rest requirements for cargo pilots remained at eight hours.
Three House lawmakers — Reps. John Katko, R-N.Y., Salud Carbajal, D-Calif. and Matt Cartwright, D-Pa.— last week introduced the Safe Skies Act that would bring cargo pilots under the same rules as passenger pilots. A similar bill was reintroduced in the Senate earlier this year.
Several unions, including those representing pilots at UPS and FedEx, are urging lawmakers to make the change.
Some say a change is overdue.
“It’s ridiculous that we don’t [have the same rest rules for cargo pilots] and the only reason we don’t is for economic reasons,” said Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger, the former US Airways captain famed for his “Miracle on the Hudson” landing after a bird strike in January 2009. “Cargo pilots have the most demanding schedules. They are the ones who need the most protections.”
Robert Sumwalt, chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board, said the taxing job of flying long hours and crossing of multiple time zones pose concerns about cargo-pilot fatigue.
“A lot of the cargo pilots are on the back side of the clock, which introduces its own set of safety concerns with fatigue. That’s one major issue right there,” he said. “Cargo pilots are sharing the same airspace, flying into the same airports [as passenger pilots]. Why should there be a different level of safety?”
The stepped-up safety rules that were implemented in 2014 stemmed from NTSB recommendations after the February 2009 crash of a Colgan Air turboprop near Buffalo, N.Y. that killed all 49 on board and one person on the ground. The agency’s accident report cited fatigue and a need for more training — the last deadly U.S. passenger plane crash.
The Federal Aviation Administration said in a 2014 analysis that extending the same rest and duty rules to cargo-only airlines would provide a benefit of as much as $10 million, but the costs would be around $452 million and cargo pilots were subsequently left out of the new rules.
Pilots for Atlas Air Worldwide, one of the contractors Amazon uses for its package delivery services, have complained about fatigue and excessive overtime in recent months and are also pushing for the change.
The company said its pilots fly fewer segments than passenger pilots and that the current rules give its pilots better rest.
“Among all parties, there is a shared commitment to safety as the number one objective. Safety will never be compromised,” said Atlas spokeswoman Debbie Coffey.
Best use of rest
Industry members say their rest rules follow strict guidelines and that the nature of the job has different requirements and cargo pilots generally fly fewer, but longer trips, than passenger pilots.
Under the passenger rules, cargo pilots would have to work fewer days, which means more “first days” — think of it as a Monday after the long weekend — which could hurt performance since the first day back at work is the most difficult, said Steve Alterman, president of the Cargo Airline Association.
Others say that the use of rest is what’s important.
“It’s the airlines’ responsibility to ensure there is adequate time for pilots to rest, but it is the pilots’ responsibility to show up to work rested and ready to fly,” said Sharon Pinkerton, senior vice president for legislative and regulatory policy at Airlines for America, a trade group that represents most of the country’s big passenger and cargo airlines, including FedEx and UPS.
Cargo pilot fatigue came into focus again after an August 2013 crash of a UPS plane on approach into Birmingham, Alabama. Both pilots were killed, and the NTSB cited pilot fatigue as a contributing factor. It also said the first officer suffered acute sleep loss “resulting from her ineffective off-duty time management and circadian factors.”
Several company and industry officials said the rules must also account for pilot commuting.
Atlas said it offers a program in which it pays for hotel rooms for pilots before their trips so they can rest before their shifts. “This allows for well-rested pilots who enjoy the option of being able to choose where they live,” she said.
FedEx, which estimates about 70% of its pilots commute to their bases, says it takes a series of steps to mitigate risks from a lack of pilot rest, including sleep facilities at some airports and periodic reviews of routes whose schedules pilots find problematic. It also estimates that its layovers average 31 hours for international routes and that passenger flight layovers average 22.5 hours.
“In cooperation with our pilots, FedEx has developed the best, most scientifically advanced fatigue mitigation program in the airline industry,” the delivery giant said. “Cargo and passenger pilots have very different schedules, and forcing cargo pilots to fly according to a set of rules developed for distinct conditions in a different industry will make them less safe. One size does not fit all when it comes to air travel safety.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/29/amaz...on-begins.html
11-30-2019, 02:14 PM
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Shame that freight pilots are monetized this way. This should be exhibit # 1 in the deconstruction of the RLA and associated biased regulatory framework that are tantamount to human rights abuses of pilots employed with cargo airlines. Why this is tolerated is beyond me. This is blatant corruption of the rules to benefit operators at the expense of safety. We should all expect more from the nation that discovered flight , put men on the moon and purports to be the leading aviation safety regulator on the planet. Far from it. Get you act together before you are supplanted. By who you ask ? Well , with corrupt , unfair and archaic rules like this ? Anybody.
12-01-2019, 01:20 PM
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So Gateway travel is not a union negotiated benefit but a “program” that Atlas offers to the crews. I hope our negotiators are taking notes the next time the company claims they want to get rid of it. It’s not an economic item anymore, it’s a “safety program”.
12-03-2019, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ROBsINtheHOOD
Shame that freight pilots are monetized this way. This should be exhibit # 1 in the deconstruction of the RLA and associated biased regulatory framework that are tantamount to human rights abuses of pilots employed with cargo airlines. Why this is tolerated is beyond me. This is blatant corruption of the rules to benefit operators at the expense of safety. We should all expect more from the nation that discovered flight , put men on the moon and purports to be the leading aviation safety regulator on the planet. Far from it. Get you act together before you are supplanted. By who you ask ? Well , with corrupt , unfair and archaic rules like this ? Anybody.
When I was flying domestic, I blocked 1/5th the hours of my friend at Delta Air Lines and I worked less days per month. However, I also flew night hub turns which if you don't handle them properly are a kick in the nuts. FedEx does a very good job of ensuring we get hotel rooms or a private sleep room during our night sorts. Passenger airlines don't do that.
The elephant in the room is COMMUTING.
"Several company and industry officials said the rules must also account for pilot commuting."
They are going to go after commuting and when they do the passenger airline job is going to change dramatically for the worse. Be careful what you ask for.
12-03-2019, 10:45 AM
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From what I recall they wanted to go after commuting in the original 117 but backed off. If it ever comes to fruition Atlas is somewhat ahead of the curve since they have been enforcing pre duty rest as part of Gateway travel for several years now.
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