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Old 05-10-2018, 01:59 PM   #1  
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Default Life From a Relatively New Hire at ATI

Thereís a lot of trash talk on APC about ATI. I canít speak for anyone else but myself so here goes; Contract at ATI for an ACMI carrier is good but not great. Much better than it was and certainly not Purple or Brown. We are not Purple or Brown so I donít expect their contract.

The flying, like anywhere, can be easy or challenging depending on the airport, geography, geo-political climate (we go to some weird places on the planet) and weather. Some of the trips are one and done with 20+ hour layovers. Plenty of time for a good meal, some brews, take in a museum, movie or whatever. Great bunch of very professional pilots to fly with.

Do you want to fly passengers? Bid the combis once you can hold them.

I held a line the first bid period that I was eligible (post IOE / line check). New contract has resulted in slightly better take-home, net pay for first year F/O's. Captains and 2nd year and above F/Oís have seen substantial increases. Most of the time there is plenty of extra flying if you want it. Contract gives us +4 hours above guarantee for every day of extra or JA flying.

As has been mentioned in some threads all employees, not just pilots, enjoy a good relationship with management from what I can see. There are always outliers who will never be happy. I canít fix that.

Canít beat positive space travel and home basing. Because we are home based, we donít pay imputed taxes on our positive spaced trips to/from work. I typically take an Uber to my local airport (6 miles driving or about 4 as the crow flies) and pay no parking fees and never sweat it if I donít make it in either direction. Get to keep the travel points too.

Training pay is base pay from day one + per diem. Training is professional with no games. You know what to do. Like anything else, you get out of it what you put in.

Donít want to fly at night? Find a day job. I can attest that I have heard every major airline and most regionals at every hour of the clock. If all you ever wanted to do was fly, and hang out with some great folks this is the place. Again, itís not purple or brown or D, U, A, or SWA. If they hire you, fantastic! Go enjoy your life. If youíre young or old and want to fly heavy jets ATI is great. Want to use it as a stepping stone? Great! I can tell you that I know pilots who have left here who have a way bigger paycheck than me but hate every minute at their job.

Iíve only been here for 6 months but I have flown passengers for 24 years and was a commuter for 22 of those so my family could have a hometown with a little stability. So I guess that makes me an old guy. I still love flying and once again love my job.

The way I see it, this is the one of the best kept secrets in the industry.
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Old 05-10-2018, 02:21 PM   #2  
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Hmmm. First post. Yeah, youíre not management.
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Best kept secrets that everybody works 16 days in a row with pilots who accepted a contract that is much less than their peers, crossed a picket line, didn't support a single carrier to stop regional like wipsaw.

4 hours of low pay for being fored to work on your day off. Wow what a deal.
This is obviously a pilot that fit's the mold of low expectations or management. If the place truely had a good contract and reputation there would be no need to try and sell unspecting potential new hires on here. Any smart pilot would be bargaining for better pay for all to attract pilots rather than a sales job of trying to convince someone it's not that bad.
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Now this is hilarious. You work for an airline alongside scabs and have a MEC that directly does management's bidding. You have a "good relationship" with management because you are their *****es and help them whipsaw another pilot group that has the balls to stand up for themselves and fight for something resembling an industry standard contract.

I consider myself a middle of the road guy and would like to see my company and union work together somewhat and don't expect a FedEx contract, but you're an embarrasment.
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Old 05-10-2018, 03:06 PM   #5  
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Now now boys, be nice to night sky ! He likes the feeling of managements hand in his pocket. Oh you forgot to add, your scheduling director was rumored to have been fired for FAA issues. Maybe that ďprofessionalismĒ you speak of stops at the cockpit door.
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Old 05-10-2018, 03:56 PM   #6  
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Öbut of course the same angry posters are back to posting their anger. Can you wear an ALPA pin with a star? I havenít met any scabs here but the last time I checked, the only strike ABX attempted was neither cleared through the NMB, nor was the company released to self-help. Obviously, I was not here then.

I support every pilot group in their efforts to better themselves and the industry. So when are you going to get a contract? Is it true that there really is no solidarity at certain carriers? At the ones I worked for; when 1 pilot was furloughed NO ONE flew extra time.

Rumor I hear is several (at least 2) ACMI carriers have very senior pilots who do nothing but make their own wallets as fat as possible and really donít give a ratís a$$ about the rest of the pilot group. How can you even get to a 30 day cooling off period (required under the NMB), much less advance to a strike?

Haterís are gonna hate. Iím just posting so some fresh faces will consider and see that this is a good place to work.
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Be gone management troll.
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:10 PM   #8  
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The way I see it, this is the one of the best kept secrets in the industry.
Are you ****ing serious? You’re totally clueless or a management Troll......
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Well sounds like Mr Railway Labor Act is in the House ! The NMB has nothing to do with status quo violations during section six negotiations. But you knew that didnít you. Did Meth Mouth give you the briefing? Or was it plantation master JV? Regardless, enjoy your ATM relationship with your management. Yes....haters hate SCABS!
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Öbut of course the same angry posters are back to posting their anger. Can you wear an ALPA pin with a star? I havenít met any scabs here but the last time I checked, the only strike ABX attempted was neither cleared through the NMB, nor was the company released to self-help. Obviously, I was not here then.

I support every pilot group in their efforts to better themselves and the industry. So when are you going to get a contract? Is it true that there really is no solidarity at certain carriers? At the ones I worked for; when 1 pilot was furloughed NO ONE flew extra time.

Rumor I hear is several (at least 2) ACMI carriers have very senior pilots who do nothing but make their own wallets as fat as possible and really donít give a ratís a$$ about the rest of the pilot group. How can you even get to a 30 day cooling off period (required under the NMB), much less advance to a strike?

Haterís are gonna hate. Iím just posting so some fresh faces will consider and see that this is a good place to work.
If you think pilots are dumb and want to work with pilots who sell themselves and the industry short you should find plenty of takers!

Worst new acmi contract
Pilots who cross picket lines
Mec with no experience and cave to threats and empty promises
No retirement
Bids with paper
Can't trip trade
Scope that expires (seriously that deserves a medal) I don't think anyone has ever agreed to those terms.
Wow but there are some swell old guys to fly with that have to stay till 65 and pray it gets raised to 70 because they never had the cajones to demand a respectable DC plan.

Yeah great place to work. keep trying management, your efforts won't make up for a bottom barrel contract that most said ....what the hxll take it till a better place to work calls which won't be real hard, everyone pays better, has a better qol, and much higher retirement.
If you have to apply here, seriously look at yourself in the mirror your services can do better. Don't take your self to their low expectations you can and will do much better. Taking a job "Just Over Broker" at ATI is giving up on yourself and your profession. Hold your dignity and have some self respect!
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