ABX spooling down
06-25-2018, 03:13 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by ke4lir
Just a moot point, it's Airborne not Airbourne. Atleast that's what's on my bag tag...cheers
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06-25-2018, 04:57 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by av8or
If all that’s true, and our cargo door aircraft couldn’t have provided lift while we refleeted, wonder how they were able to continue to provide lift for another five years? My bad. I guess DHL’s entire plan all along was to build the $300 million dollar sort in CVG, mothball it for five years, move the entire operation to Wilmington, run TWO nightly sorts, (one for A, one for C), bring on a couple more contractors, (ATI, Southern) so that they could eventually shut that all down, move it back to CVG and get rid of Astar.... all so they could get unlimited access to ABX Air 767’s, most of which didn’t even have cargo doors when we got to Wilmington. Gotta hand it to the German’s that’s sixth dementional chess right there.
Not that any of that really mattered since ABX Air attorneys “correctly” pointed out in court that Astar Air Cargo/DHL Airways ALPA contract was invalid, because we weren’t covered under the Railway Labor Act.
It was Astar’s lousy airplanes and labor contract that wasn’t even legal under the RLA, thats why DHL went with ABX Air.
Yeah... ok. 👍🏼
Not that any of that really mattered since ABX Air attorneys “correctly” pointed out in court that Astar Air Cargo/DHL Airways ALPA contract was invalid, because we weren’t covered under the Railway Labor Act.
It was Astar’s lousy airplanes and labor contract that wasn’t even legal under the RLA, thats why DHL went with ABX Air.
Yeah... ok. 👍🏼
06-25-2018, 06:18 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
You make sound like DHL had some sort of plan at all.....I think the numbers are like 60yrs they could have operated the airport in KILN compared to what it's costing them to rebuild KCVG. You are giving them way to much credit...like they think things through or something. Astar was never getting new aircraft and DHL did not want the 8s or 72s. Same thing they told ATI/Capitol...
Instead they: 1. Bought a company that had a freight system that was not compatible with any other freight system in the world. 2. Bought an entire airport that they then had to pay Airborne to run (on a cost plus basis) including the expenses of cutting the grass, plowing the snow, painting the lines, changing the runway lights, maintaining the navaids, staffing the security, tower, & fire departments, AND running the sort. & 3. Abandoned their brand new $300 million sort in CVG.
Obviously between the cost of paying JH to run ILN, the lack of runway growth potential, the unreliability of the navaids. and the inefficiency of the manual sort, they finally admitted their mistake and moved back to CVG (where, incidentally, the Seimens computerized sort system hadn't been maintained and required the replacement of almost all of the belt motors).
So the Airborne/ABX deal was only one of four really bad decisions that DHL made when the Germans took over in 2001.
But clearly what they are good at is getting pilot groups to fight among themselves and not recognize who the real culprit is in this disaster of a situation in Cincinnati.
06-25-2018, 07:42 PM
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And as I pointed out, the only plan Astar had to refleet was based on the 767's that were given to ABX when our bid was undercut.
And obviously the cost to stay at ILN wasn't attractive enough for them to stay more than five years.
And obviously the cost to stay at ILN wasn't attractive enough for them to stay more than five years.
06-25-2018, 07:53 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
The Germans obviously didn't have any sort of workable plan considering the simple fact that they bought Airborne in the first place. For a billion dollars they obviously could have grown their business and re-fleeted to be competitive against Brown and Purple.
Instead they: 1. Bought a company that had a freight system that was not compatible with any other freight system in the world. 2. Bought an entire airport that they then had to pay Airborne to run (on a cost plus basis) including the expenses of cutting the grass, plowing the snow, painting the lines, changing the runway lights, maintaining the navaids, staffing the security, tower, & fire departments, AND running the sort. & 3. Abandoned their brand new $300 million sort in CVG.
Obviously between the cost of paying JH to run ILN, the lack of runway growth potential, the unreliability of the navaids. and the inefficiency of the manual sort, they finally admitted their mistake and moved back to CVG (where, incidentally, the Seimens computerized sort system hadn't been maintained and required the replacement of almost all of the belt motors).
So the Airborne/ABX deal was only one of four really bad decisions that DHL made when the Germans took over in 2001.
But clearly what they are good at is getting pilot groups to fight among themselves and not recognize who the real culprit is in this disaster of a situation in Cincinnati.
Instead they: 1. Bought a company that had a freight system that was not compatible with any other freight system in the world. 2. Bought an entire airport that they then had to pay Airborne to run (on a cost plus basis) including the expenses of cutting the grass, plowing the snow, painting the lines, changing the runway lights, maintaining the navaids, staffing the security, tower, & fire departments, AND running the sort. & 3. Abandoned their brand new $300 million sort in CVG.
Obviously between the cost of paying JH to run ILN, the lack of runway growth potential, the unreliability of the navaids. and the inefficiency of the manual sort, they finally admitted their mistake and moved back to CVG (where, incidentally, the Seimens computerized sort system hadn't been maintained and required the replacement of almost all of the belt motors).
So the Airborne/ABX deal was only one of four really bad decisions that DHL made when the Germans took over in 2001.
But clearly what they are good at is getting pilot groups to fight among themselves and not recognize who the real culprit is in this disaster of a situation in Cincinnati.
1. Signing contracts they never intend to honor. (State of Kentucky, State of Ohio, ALPA)
2. Shifting the blame for the failures of their brand to the failures of their contractors.
3. Being SUPER arrogant about how awesome and smart they are.
4. Trading product control the cheapest labor they can get, ie, contractors.
06-25-2018, 09:50 PM
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DHL is larger than FedEx and UPS combined, dominates the freight market across the globe aside from the US and is considered one of the best run corporations in Europe. Somehow the US was lost because they bought airlines with obsolete aircraft and couldn't run an airport.
I'm always amused by pilots who think they're the center of the universe.
I'm always amused by pilots who think they're the center of the universe.
06-25-2018, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by iPilot
DHL is larger than FedEx and UPS combined, dominates the freight market across the globe aside from the US and is considered one of the best run corporations in Europe. Somehow the US was lost because they bought airlines with obsolete aircraft and couldn't run an airport.
I'm always amused by pilots who think they're the center of the universe.
I'm always amused by pilots who think they're the center of the universe.
06-26-2018, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by iPilot
DHL is larger than FedEx and UPS combined, dominates the freight market across the globe aside from the US and is considered one of the best run corporations in Europe. Somehow the US was lost because they bought airlines with obsolete aircraft and couldn't run an airport.
I'm always amused by pilots who think they're the center of the universe.
I'm always amused by pilots who think they're the center of the universe.
06-26-2018, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by iPilot
DHL is larger than FedEx and UPS combined, dominates the freight market across the globe aside from the US and is considered one of the best run corporations in Europe. Somehow the US was lost because they bought airlines with obsolete aircraft and couldn't run an airport.
I'm always amused by pilots who think they're the center of the universe.
I'm always amused by pilots who think they're the center of the universe.
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