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Old 09-16-2018, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gumpscheck View Post
The ATI cost just surpassed ABX’s when home basing is factored in. Next year ATI will be more expensive even without considering home basing. ABX is next to the lowest paid at the DHL ramp in CVG. Only one step above Atlas.
6 months ago ATI's contract was nothing but hot garbage, the worst in the industry... Yall need to keep your story straight!
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by LRSRanger View Post
6 months ago ATI's contract was nothing but hot garbage, the worst in the industry... Yall need to keep your story straight!
Nothing has changed. Cost is only one part. It’s still garbage.
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog View Post
....the most junior will go to ATI while waiting for a descent airline at current seniority ATI pay with the differance paid by ATSG.

To clarify, a ABX pilot coming to ATI will be paid as a new hire at year one longevity ATI scale. If they have greater than year one seniority at ABX, the difference will be made up by ATSG coffers.

But above and beyond all that, there might not be a place for any ABX folks at ATI to come to. ABX Scope preventing an ATSG sister carrier from operating a 767 in the service of DHL out of CVG is seeing that business go from an ATSG carrier to someone else. And all the AMZ growth is at Giant.

I believe the last of the hiring for this year at ATI starts Mon 9/17. After that, who knows. If anything it'll be incremental at best.
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:24 AM
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I agree with Astar. But one truth exists: ATSG is bound to retirement obligations. Maybe Joe will have to sell assets to meet them....not my problem.
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LRSRanger View Post
6 months ago ATI's contract was nothing but hot garbage, the worst in the industry... Yall need to keep your story straight!
I think he is saying It could have been alot more....now ABX is cheap if we are already less
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Old 09-16-2018, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LRSRanger View Post
6 months ago ATI's contract was nothing but hot garbage, the worst in the industry... Yall need to keep your story straight!
I'd love to see how someone is doing at ATI from 2014 till now with this hot garbage contract vs ABX. The contract gave ATI stability, big bump in growth, lots of upgrades. After 4 years at ATI someone might be a two year captain at $165/hr (with things like homebasing). And then in a year and then 2 (coming up) don't the numbers get better etc? How does that compare with someone at ABX who has been there even 10 - 15 years?
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Originally Posted by dynap09 View Post
I'd love to see how someone is doing at ATI from 2014 till now with this hot garbage contract vs ABX. The contract gave ATI stability, big bump in growth, lots of upgrades. After 4 years at ATI someone might be a two year captain at $165/hr (with things like homebasing). And then in a year and then 2 (coming up) don't the numbers get better etc? How does that compare with someone at ABX who has been there even 10 - 15 years?
well....a 10-15 yr FO has probably been in the 200K range just with a few scheduling snafus working on your regular scheduled days. More if you want OT or accepting JRM. Plus better disability, medical insurance, and a plan match...thats all though. In today's market it certainly could/should be better.
Beats painting houses though.

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Old 09-16-2018, 12:59 PM
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And a defined benefits plan. Thanks for asking.
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And a defined benefits plan. Thanks for asking.
Yes..plan match..7.5% of gross to max of 19.5k
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Old 09-16-2018, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dynap09 View Post
The contract gave ATI stability, big bump in growth, lots of upgrades.
Pretty sure that was happening even before the contract. ATI has been the favored son of ATSG for some time now.
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