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Old 05-30-2018, 10:29 PM   #31  
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Rumor has it they signed a letter (just like in the old contract) that says any ATI pilot who refuses to cross a picket line will be fired.
Why would you allow that???
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Old 05-31-2018, 07:04 AM   #32  
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Rumor has it they signed a letter (just like in the old contract) that says any ATI pilot who refuses to cross a picket line will be fired.
Why would you allow that???
Tis' true.

Picket Lines: Sympathetic Action
It will be a violation of this Agreement and will be cause for discharge,
disciplinary action, or permanent replacement, should any Pilot refuse to
enter upon any property involved in a primary and/or secondary labor
dispute, including a primary picket line involving employees of the
Company.
...
"In the spirit of Labor-Management cooperation," [Labor Disputes Letter]
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Old 05-31-2018, 07:13 AM   #33  
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Tis' true.

Picket Lines: Sympathetic Action
It will be a violation of this Agreement and will be cause for discharge,
disciplinary action, or permanent replacement, should any Pilot refuse to
enter upon any property involved in a primary and/or secondary labor
dispute, including a primary picket line involving employees of the
Company.
...
"In the spirit of Labor-Management cooperation," [Labor Disputes Letter]
Unbelievable.......
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Old 05-31-2018, 08:18 AM   #34  
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ATI Pilots just crossed the threshold of gutless to nutless. Truly a treehouse club for a union.
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Old 05-31-2018, 08:21 AM   #35  
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Why not just name the place Scab Air ?

What a sad group.

In any event...If one had any brains and/or balls, you would immediately cross that Picket Line , get fired, and then retire on the proceeds of a Wrongful Termination lawsuit.

"The National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) shields nonunion, nonsupervisory employees’ decision to honor a picket line as protected concerted activity. Any discipline for an employee’s refusal to cross a picket line will be deemed a violation of the NLRA and an unfair labor practice, noted James Hays, an attorney with Sheppard Mullin in New York City."

Can't fix STUPID though...



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Old 05-31-2018, 08:30 AM   #36  
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Let history be the judge. ATI has always been a scumbag redneck operation. Less ATSG and its whip saw tactics, it would have DIED decades ago with the likes of Fine Air, Arrow Air, CAT
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In any event...If one had any brains and/or balls, you would immediately cross that Picket Line , get fired, and then retire on the proceeds of a Wrongful Termination lawsuit.
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Can't fix STUPID though...
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Folks - please check with your own legal counsel before taking action that could get you fired. While there is debate about general no-strike clauses waiving sympathy strikes if the sympathy strike waiver is clear and unambigous and you are part of the union, be careful. The decision to cross a picket line must often be done without much time for review.

Some unions (teamsters) are known for not signing these types of waivers. Don't know the ABX agreement, but freight side this is langauge.

"Section 1. Picket Lines: Sympathetic Action
It shall not be a violation of this Agreement, and it shall not be cause
for discharge, disciplinary action or permanent replacement in the
event an employee refuses to enter upon any property involved in a
primary labor dispute, or refuses to go through or work behind any
primary picket line, including the primary picket line of Unions
party to this Agreement, and including primary picket lines at the
Employer’s places of business."

Notice the difference?
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Old 05-31-2018, 09:18 AM   #38  
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Folks - please check with your own legal counsel before taking action that could get you fired. While there is debate about general no-strike clauses waiving sympathy strikes if the sympathy strike waiver is clear and unambigous and you are part of the union, be careful. The decision to cross a picket line must often be done without much time for review.

Some unions (teamsters) are known for not signing these types of waivers. Don't know the ABX agreement, but freight side this is langauge.

"Section 1. Picket Lines: Sympathetic Action
It shall not be a violation of this Agreement, and it shall not be cause
for discharge, disciplinary action or permanent replacement in the
event an employee refuses to enter upon any property involved in a
primary labor dispute, or refuses to go through or work behind any
primary picket line, including the primary picket line of Unions
party to this Agreement, and including primary picket lines at the
Employer’s places of business."

Notice the difference?
Teamsters Contract:

During the term of this Agreement, neither the Union nor the Pilots will authorize, cause, or engage in any work stoppage, strike, slowdown, sympathy strike or job action. The Company reserves the right to discharge or otherwise discipline any Pilot taking part in any violation of this provision of the Agreement, and only the Pilot’s participation in the proscribed conduct may be the subject of a grievance
or a submission to the System Board of Adjustment.

Both Unions are guilty of accepting this language.
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By posting langauage I didn't mean to completely stir the pot (maybe a little...). One can post whatever is in the Atlas, ABX, others contracts as well. IMO the langauage has a certain dress value; another way to say this is "actions speak louder than words".

So regardless of the content, intent, or words in ones agreement, when it comes to this topic the true actions are what happens on the line and in the streets. Atlas, Kalitta, and other have shown their colors and support, ATI also has shown their color (more like a DHL yellow streak).

If call upon again in the future, I give all carriers (including ATI) the chance to do what's right....regardless of their agreement. Most agree that was not the case in the past; something we can not turn the clock back on. Given all the circumstances (well documented on APC) I give those guys another bite at the apple if called upon (talking strike actions only here). I don't see throwing 250 guys away at the actions of 10-20...and that includes their MEC at the time. I know it's high expectations given the contract they have signed.

Go easy on me...I have thin skin <NOT>
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By posting langauage I didn't mean to completely stir the pot (maybe a little...). One can post whatever is in the Atlas, ABX, others contracts as well. IMO the langauage has a certain dress value; another way to say this is "actions speak louder than words".

So regardless of the content, intent, or words in ones agreement, when it comes to this topic the true actions are what happens on the line and in the streets. Atlas, Kalitta, and other have shown their colors and support, ATI also has shown their color (more like a DHL yellow streak).

If call upon again in the future, I give all carriers (including ATI) the chance to do what's right....regardless of their agreement. Most agree that was not the case in the past; something we can not turn the clock back on. Given all the circumstances (well documented on APC) I give those guys another bite at the apple if called upon (talking strike actions only here). I don't see throwing 250 guys away at the actions of 10-20...and that includes their MEC at the time. I know it's high expectations given the contract they have signed.

Go easy on me...I have thin skin <NOT>
They are a bunch of sheep....
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