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Old 05-31-2018, 09:49 PM   #41  
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Why not just name the place Scab Air ?

What a sad group.

In any event...If one had any brains and/or balls, you would immediately cross that Picket Line , get fired, and then retire on the proceeds of a Wrongful Termination lawsuit.

"The National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) shields nonunion, nonsupervisory employees’ decision to honor a picket line as protected concerted activity. Any discipline for an employee’s refusal to cross a picket line will be deemed a violation of the NLRA and an unfair labor practice, noted James Hays, an attorney with Sheppard Mullin in New York City."

Can't fix STUPID though...



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I don't have a dog in the ABX-ATI issue other than being in the same local 1224 as you and future probable conflicts for us.

A point in fact, we all work under the RLA (Railway Labor Act) not the NLRA. Two distinctly different things and why we are probably always playing catch up.

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Old 06-01-2018, 03:03 AM   #42  
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I don't have a dog in the ABX-ATI issue other than being in the same local 1224 as you and future probable conflicts for us.

A point in fact, we all work under the RLA (Railway Labor Act) not the NLRA. Two distinctly different things and why we are probably always playing catch up.
Exactly..the NLRA has nothing to do with airlines or railroads...... it just doesnt.
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:44 AM   #43  
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DOH!

You are correct and I am wrong. ( First time EVER. Really. )

I also effed' up in my statement " ...cross the picket line."

Let me try again:

Under the RLA ( NOT the NLRA ):

> " Carriers may lawfully replace strikers engaged in a lawful strike but may not, however, discharge them... or eliminate their jobs to retaliate against them for striking."

So..You Would NOT cross the Line and you would still have some protections under the RLA.

I will refrain from posting Sober in the future as it seems to mess up my thought processes.

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( ^^^ Haha...look at him backpedaling trying to " Fix Stupid " !!! ^^^)
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:13 PM   #44  
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They are shutting that place down. Slowly shutting it down. Hoping most people leave on their own which will save them money in the long run. At some point they are going to pull the plug. How many pilots do you guys have now? under 200? Just curious, it was around 250 at 1 point.

I hope you guys get a new contract and some new business, hell I would love to return but I just dont see it.
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How many pilots do you guys have now? under 200? Just curious, it was around 250 at 1 point.
125 captains and 108 FOs on the bid list this month, and I know there are a few out on medical. I moved up two spots. Haven't heard who else might be leaving soon. A class is supposed to be starting this month. Don't know how many are expected to be in it.
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Old 06-05-2018, 06:49 PM   #46  
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It was 265 in april 2017.
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:18 PM   #47  
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I guess Soapys furlough comments served his purpose!
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An important near-term issue for the volume of business serviced by ABX is the what happens with the DHL contract that expires in about 9 months. At that time, the CAM leases to DHL on the 767-200s expire. The CMI agreement for ABX to operate the 767-200s and 767-300s also expires then. The dry leases on the 767-300s expire at various times between 2019 through 2025. A significant question is to what extent DHL finds itself wanting to replace some or all of the remaining 767-200s with -300s from, say Kalitta, who should have at least 5 in his fleet by then, or Atlas, which seems presently to be converting more -300s than they need for Amazon. Also whether DHL wants to continue to use ABX to operate the dry-leased -300s.

DHL is of course the kind of operation that can probably best use the express-carrier orientation and tribal knowledge of ABX, even if it doesn't always appreciate its own need for a precision carrier like ABX. Although DHL has been reducing its utilization of ABX in kind of a Water Torture drip-drip-drip, management should be able to put an appealing-enough offer on the table to structure the retention of at least some of that flying. CAM ought to be doing what it can to find a DHL use (preferably in this country) for those -200s that really don't have much market value outside of DHL.

Obviously, labor peace would make the offer more appealing, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Indeed, management is probably better off figuring out how much flying ABX actually needs to do when determining just how badly it needs to reach a labor agreement.

I do hope that things work out in a way that preserves this very-special and rich-in-history carrier, which of course is a direct result of the long-term excellent work of its pilots and large number of other employees.
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An important near-term issue for the volume of business serviced by ABX is the what happens with the DHL contract that expires in about 9 months. At that time, the CAM leases to DHL on the 767-200s expire. The CMI agreement for ABX to operate the 767-200s and 767-300s also expires then. The dry leases on the 767-300s expire at various times between 2019 through 2025. A significant question is to what extent DHL finds itself wanting to replace some or all of the remaining 767-200s with -300s from, say Kalitta, who should have at least 5 in his fleet by then, or Atlas, which seems presently to be converting more -300s than they need for Amazon. Also whether DHL wants to continue to use ABX to operate the dry-leased -300s.

DHL is of course the kind of operation that can probably best use the express-carrier orientation and tribal knowledge of ABX, even if it doesn't always appreciate its own need for a precision carrier like ABX. Although DHL has been reducing its utilization of ABX in kind of a Water Torture drip-drip-drip, management should be able to put an appealing-enough offer on the table to structure the retention of at least some of that flying. CAM ought to be doing what it can to find a DHL use (preferably in this country) for those -200s that really don't have much market value outside of DHL.

Obviously, labor peace would make the offer more appealing, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Indeed, management is probably better off figuring out how much flying ABX actually needs to do when determining just how badly it needs to reach a labor agreement.

I do hope that things work out in a way that preserves this very-special and rich-in-history carrier, which of course is a direct result of the long-term excellent work of its pilots and large number of other employees.
The hell with JH and Soapy. Lets shut down the place and get it over with.

ABX has been hell on earth since 2009. And they still treat us like garbage. I am done with being nice. If they want to keep turning down work/flights to force us to capitulate, they are misunderstanding their pilot group. We already gave in 2009 and we are not giving again. We are against the ropes and we have nothing to lose. We are very dangerous.
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Then Light at the End of the Tunnel is ABXs Death! I would guess less than a year! Who would come for a short time to start over looking for another job?
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