Varsity

Might be a stupid question:

Does ATI or ABX fly TATL or TPAC?

woog315

If someone is dumb enough to hire us, sure. ATI is currently flying to phnl ( not sure if you would consider that tpac) and ABX is doing a Rammstein run. Both airlines are fully qualified for all of it, yes.

Checkers21

Is ABX still doing a CVG-LAX run or did Atlas or K4 get put on it? Do you guys do a lot of stuff out of Mexico?

av8or

Motorclutch flamin anything ASTAR, EIGHT F’n years and one concessionary contract, so you could be the “lone survivor”, later!

Dude, that is truly so retro of you at this point! So OG! Congrats on the new old uniforms (that look just like ours did 8 years ago) and the pilot lounge at CVG. (Just curious, did Atlas/Southern get that and kick y’all into the ASTAR lounge once they were the big dog?)

I think it is truly precious that I meet so many people who have friends that say “oh yeah, I gotta friend who flew for DHL... on the DC-9”... lol funny, haven’t heard the DHL callsign on ATC since bout oh... 2010-2011 and, it was never on a DC-9 or a 767. And, while you were hanging on, continuing to negotiate and fly for those sorry lying sack of $&1T rat B’s from Brussels, for the last 8 years all of us DHL Airways guys, went and got great airline jobs. We’re all over the place brother. Hope you are able to limp it on into the barn at 65 or 67.

motorclutch

Touched a nerve huh? Too funny.

motorclutch

He was probably cleaning Dazburgs pool instead.

av8or

Touched a nerve? With YOUR post? 😂😂 Hardly. My “nerves” were touched years ago. Financially it’s taken me years to recover from DHL did, and ABX was an active participant in our demise through both a lawsuit and a concessionary contract. Thankfully, I’ve been able claw my way back. I just thought it was amazing that eight years later, while you’re having to now dance with devil you partnered with, you’re gonna still flame Astar and anyone’s association.

And I meant it when I said I hope you can limp it to 65 or 67. I’d hate for you to have to go through what we did.

Lockheed

Two great posts brother

motorclutch

Limping into the finish line here! To clarify my post .....I was referring to two ex-ASTAR schedulers we inherited who violated our contract at every turn of the screw. Real pleasers for our dynamic management team. Guys who lacked the backbone to do the right thing. Doesn’t matter now....they went to ATLAS and the word had been broadcast and received.

nitefr8dog

Or....ABX took a concessary contract after DHL bought Airborne Express then gave half the cites we flew to to Astar, then DHL made historically horible business decisions that destroyed most of the US Express market they had bought from Airborne which they knew nothing about...stock went to .18 cents and we were delisted. Let's not forget Astar needed a total refleet being they were flying a bunch of relics and nobody saw a value in investing in Astar. Airborne started refleeting in the late 90's before any other ACMI carriers even knew what the 767 was. I guess its all about everybody's perspective....Astar just did not have much to offer. And now we see other carriers sign contacts without retirement, scheduling protection....all for barely a pay raise. For what? The promise of additional flying. ABX.....went to the same cites after Astar folded they had been going to for 20+ yrs. And has watched those cites and aircraft given away to lowball carriers. This will not change. The next company that signs a cheaper contract will start to see DHL take flights from the golden child Kalita and the biggest player Atlas. This is right from DHL's playbook. I also lived though it so I really don't care if you agree or not. Nobody wins everbody suffers in the ACMI world. As the beacon turns.....