Originally Posted by Cujo665

Post 271 has zero contract language.

Could ask you the same....
I care because I don’t want to see guys making plans thinking there is a guarantee that isn’t really there.

Winding down doesn’t mean furloughs. It means reducing flying and staffing (attrition) until you reach a point of telling everybody, don’t come in to work anymore. Company ceases operations. That’s not a furlough.

Originally Posted by wjcandee

Nothing you mention is preclusive.

And the point is not that the argument on either side would be guaranteed to win, because nobody can predict that with absolute certainty. The fact is that all the company needs is a colorable argument that wouldn't get the lawyers disbarred in order to tie the union up in litigation/arbitration for years before Person 1 was hired at ATI or Omni. Look at what 1224 is doing on the Atlas/Southern combination: (admittedly oversimplifying) it is saying that the plain wording of two contract provisions should be ignored. I doubt the lawyers are making that "creative" an argument because they're confident they're gonna win that one; I presume they're making it because: (1) like every Hail Mary pass, there is a slight possibility that they might win; and (2) it ties things up and interferes with the company, which is leverage towards a negotiated settlement.

My only point in engaging about any discussion of all of this is just to say that if ABX management is as devious as people believe, one might not want to just assume that other ATSG airlines will ever actually be forced to give jobs to ABX pilots.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

Winding down doesn’t mean furloughs. It means reducing flying and staffing (attrition) until you reach a point of telling everybody, don’t come in to work anymore. Company ceases operations. That’s not a furlough.

Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

The real point is ...nobody cares..

Originally Posted by 727CA

Cant speak for OMNI, but ATI doesn't want negativity over here...There's a lot of good ABX guys out there and they're all welcome over here, but not so much the ABX guys on here that stir the pot and spread hate.

Originally Posted by 727CA

Cant speak for OMNI, but ATI doesn't want negativity over here...There's a lot of good ABX guys out there and they're all welcome over here, but not so much the ABX guys on here that stir the pot and spread hate.

Originally Posted by Rolloutflare

A pilot with a bad attitude coming from a forced displacement from any airline would be like a Chihuahua entering a Wolf den.

Either they survive by keeping their mouth shut, or get eaten in training.

My experience, is pilots with experience on type and attitude don’t usually make it to the line.

Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

How about not trying to fix problems you don't have.....they are all big boys they can make their own decisions without your help. If... and again if ...they would "wind" it down it would be through a reduction in force..furlough in other words. Everyone on the bottom of the list go to ATI or Omni if they are hiring...done deal. What else should we try to fix thats not our problem? Paint schemes? That could be another 75 to 100 posts!

Originally Posted by Larry in TN

The only way to tell a pilot to not come in to work anymore is by furloughing them.