Abx new hire
06-01-2018, 12:12 PM
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Abx new hire
Hi all,
I just interviewed wit ABX, and got an offer. I see a lot of people are not happy with the company, but I have been searching for a lot of airlines, and it seems to me that no one is happy anywhere.
So please, I would really appreciate some good feedback on how life really is as an FO with ABX. I will be commuting. I know there is things people are not happy with, but there must be other things people are happy with to? I mean otherwise why would you be with them? The job market is so good, why would you not just go to a regional if no major is currently hiring you?
TIA!
I just interviewed wit ABX, and got an offer. I see a lot of people are not happy with the company, but I have been searching for a lot of airlines, and it seems to me that no one is happy anywhere.
So please, I would really appreciate some good feedback on how life really is as an FO with ABX. I will be commuting. I know there is things people are not happy with, but there must be other things people are happy with to? I mean otherwise why would you be with them? The job market is so good, why would you not just go to a regional if no major is currently hiring you?
TIA!
06-01-2018, 01:54 PM
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There are a host of reasons that I would suggest that you decline ABX’s offer of a job, but the most pressing reason, would be to help those currently employed at ABX, successfully achieve an attractive and fair CBA. If new people keep accepting job offers, under the current, sub-par CBA, it gives our management the idea, that they don’t need to make any changes in their current business model, which is making life miserable for those already flying here. If new people stop showing up for interviews/classes, maybe they’ll come to the realization that they need to “sweeten the pot” and come to an agreement for a better contract, in order to attract new pilots, and retain those already here. Your declining the job, could help contribute to the improvement in conditions for those currently here, and those that are hired post-contract. I might be able to understand your coming here, if jobs were hard to come by elsewhere, but as you pointed out, that’s not the case. Go somewhere else and help us out. Many of us are still here, because we’ve been here for 20+ years and are not able to voluntarily take the huge loss of pay associated with moving to a new company, not to mention, many of us are too old and fat to get hired anywhere else. So, do yourself and all of us a favor, and keep looking elsewhere for a job.
06-01-2018, 03:25 PM
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That should tell you a lot right there current employees saying go elsewhere. There is a lot of information on other threads but in my opinion here are the facts:
Jr manning happens all the time, you will be required to work on your days off. They always run short staffed.
Abx is losing flying most recently Atlanta. There are less and less line holders each month.
The last upgrades were well over a year ago and all the FOS who upgraded had 20 plus years with the company. There entire top half of the FO list has 20 years too. You will be waiting a long long long time to upgrade.
The union simply will not be caving to accept any concessions or ATI like contract. Management is ruthlesss here and this could be the final straw. They are going to continue to move flying elsewhere until it's all gone. And the pilots are prepared to retire or go elsewhere to work.
Reserve life is pure hell. There is no reserve "system" they can do what ever they please to you including 12 hour ready reserve at the airport with no limits, you will do alot of it! Be prepared to be on reserve for 2 years or more which will require a lot of out of pocket hotel rooms!
Even though they say they are paying for hotels and Per diem during training the union is filing a grievance and if successful you will pay for it on your own. Nobody here had it paid for and management simply doesn't care that nobody before you got it. Everyone else paid for it on their own and you will too!
Scheduling just cuts off trades when they feel like it with no recourse. Good luck on ever planning.
One bust in a type and it stays with you forever in your background check.
Why would you want to work for a place that doesn't care about pilots?
It's all threats, intimidation, no growth, out dated contract. The president brags about how many pilots he has furloughed in his career!
You said your going to commute? No KCM here and the commute clause requires you get to cvg 6 hours before you sign in with 2 flights off line. In the system you can do 1 flight but that's limited and losing flying doesn't help. Ask everyone commuting from atl.
Seriously there are much much better places to work. Every 151 is looking elsewhere and some senior folks.
Anyone who would come to a place that doesn't appreciate pilots must have trouble getting hired at a real airline!
Amazon yeah right they hate abx because of the strike. Even if it takes off just Google news articles they say it could be 2025 until cvg is built out and there is no guarantee abx will be here to do any of the flying when ATI is full of pilots with no self worth willing to do it for RJ pay!
Good luck being a new FO and you decide to take the job. You can sit there for 5 hours on the flight and stare at the panel. And when you get back you can sit for 12 hours in cvg on reserve and think why in the heck didn't you listen to peer advice!
Jr manning happens all the time, you will be required to work on your days off. They always run short staffed.
Abx is losing flying most recently Atlanta. There are less and less line holders each month.
The last upgrades were well over a year ago and all the FOS who upgraded had 20 plus years with the company. There entire top half of the FO list has 20 years too. You will be waiting a long long long time to upgrade.
The union simply will not be caving to accept any concessions or ATI like contract. Management is ruthlesss here and this could be the final straw. They are going to continue to move flying elsewhere until it's all gone. And the pilots are prepared to retire or go elsewhere to work.
Reserve life is pure hell. There is no reserve "system" they can do what ever they please to you including 12 hour ready reserve at the airport with no limits, you will do alot of it! Be prepared to be on reserve for 2 years or more which will require a lot of out of pocket hotel rooms!
Even though they say they are paying for hotels and Per diem during training the union is filing a grievance and if successful you will pay for it on your own. Nobody here had it paid for and management simply doesn't care that nobody before you got it. Everyone else paid for it on their own and you will too!
Scheduling just cuts off trades when they feel like it with no recourse. Good luck on ever planning.
One bust in a type and it stays with you forever in your background check.
Why would you want to work for a place that doesn't care about pilots?
It's all threats, intimidation, no growth, out dated contract. The president brags about how many pilots he has furloughed in his career!
You said your going to commute? No KCM here and the commute clause requires you get to cvg 6 hours before you sign in with 2 flights off line. In the system you can do 1 flight but that's limited and losing flying doesn't help. Ask everyone commuting from atl.
Seriously there are much much better places to work. Every 151 is looking elsewhere and some senior folks.
Anyone who would come to a place that doesn't appreciate pilots must have trouble getting hired at a real airline!
Amazon yeah right they hate abx because of the strike. Even if it takes off just Google news articles they say it could be 2025 until cvg is built out and there is no guarantee abx will be here to do any of the flying when ATI is full of pilots with no self worth willing to do it for RJ pay!
Good luck being a new FO and you decide to take the job. You can sit there for 5 hours on the flight and stare at the panel. And when you get back you can sit for 12 hours in cvg on reserve and think why in the heck didn't you listen to peer advice!
Last edited by Industry Strnd; 06-01-2018 at 03:47 PM.
06-01-2018, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
That should tell you a lot right there current employees saying go elsewhere. There is a lot of information on other threads but here are the facts:
Jr manning happens all the time, you will be required to work on your days off. They always run short staffed.
Abx is losing flying most recently Atlanta. There are less and less line holders each month.
The last upgrades were well over a year ago and all the FOS who upgraded had 20 plus years with the company. There entire top half of the FO list has 20 years too. You will be waiting a long long long time to upgrade.
The union simply will not be caving to accept any concessions or ATI like contract. Management is ruthlesss here and this could be the final straw. They are going to continue to move flying elsewhere until it's all gone. And the pilots are prepared to retire or go elsewhere to work.
Reserve life is pure hell. There is no reserve "system" they can do what ever they please to you including 12 hour ready reserve at the airport with no limits, you will do alot of it! Be prepared to be on reserve for 2 years or more which will require a lot of out of pocket hotel rooms!
Even though they say they are paying for hotels and Per diem during training the union is filing a grievance and if successful you will pay for it on your own. Nobody here had it paid for and management simply doesn't care that nobody before you got it. Everyone else paid for it on their own and you will too!
Scheduling just cuts off trades when they feel like it with no recourse. Good luck on ever planning.
One bust in a type and it stays with you forever in your background check.
Why would you want to work for a place that doesn't care about pilots?
It's all threats, intimidation, no growth, out dated contract. The president brags about how many pilots he has furloughed in his career!
You said your going to commute? No KCM here and the commute clause requires you get to cvg 6 hours before you sign in with 2 flights off line. In the system you can do 1 flight but that's limited and losing flying doesn't help. Ask everyone commuting from atl.
Seriously there are much much better places to work. Every 151 is looking elsewhere and some senior folks.
Anyone who would come to a place that doesn't appreciate pilots must have trouble getting hired at a real airline!
Amazon yeah right they hate abx because of the strike. Even if it takes off just Google new articles they say it could be 2025 until cvg is built out and there is no guarantee abx will be here to do any of the flying when ATI is full of pilots with no self worth willing to do it for RJ pay!
Good luck being a new FO and you decide to take the job. You can sit there for 5 hours on the flight and stare at the panel because you won't be talking and you won't be reading nobody wants any new hires now accept maybe 1 captain and management! And when you get back you can sit for 12 hours in cvg on reserve and think why in the heck didn't you heed to peer advice!
Jr manning happens all the time, you will be required to work on your days off. They always run short staffed.
Abx is losing flying most recently Atlanta. There are less and less line holders each month.
The last upgrades were well over a year ago and all the FOS who upgraded had 20 plus years with the company. There entire top half of the FO list has 20 years too. You will be waiting a long long long time to upgrade.
The union simply will not be caving to accept any concessions or ATI like contract. Management is ruthlesss here and this could be the final straw. They are going to continue to move flying elsewhere until it's all gone. And the pilots are prepared to retire or go elsewhere to work.
Reserve life is pure hell. There is no reserve "system" they can do what ever they please to you including 12 hour ready reserve at the airport with no limits, you will do alot of it! Be prepared to be on reserve for 2 years or more which will require a lot of out of pocket hotel rooms!
Even though they say they are paying for hotels and Per diem during training the union is filing a grievance and if successful you will pay for it on your own. Nobody here had it paid for and management simply doesn't care that nobody before you got it. Everyone else paid for it on their own and you will too!
Scheduling just cuts off trades when they feel like it with no recourse. Good luck on ever planning.
One bust in a type and it stays with you forever in your background check.
Why would you want to work for a place that doesn't care about pilots?
It's all threats, intimidation, no growth, out dated contract. The president brags about how many pilots he has furloughed in his career!
You said your going to commute? No KCM here and the commute clause requires you get to cvg 6 hours before you sign in with 2 flights off line. In the system you can do 1 flight but that's limited and losing flying doesn't help. Ask everyone commuting from atl.
Seriously there are much much better places to work. Every 151 is looking elsewhere and some senior folks.
Anyone who would come to a place that doesn't appreciate pilots must have trouble getting hired at a real airline!
Amazon yeah right they hate abx because of the strike. Even if it takes off just Google new articles they say it could be 2025 until cvg is built out and there is no guarantee abx will be here to do any of the flying when ATI is full of pilots with no self worth willing to do it for RJ pay!
Good luck being a new FO and you decide to take the job. You can sit there for 5 hours on the flight and stare at the panel because you won't be talking and you won't be reading nobody wants any new hires now accept maybe 1 captain and management! And when you get back you can sit for 12 hours in cvg on reserve and think why in the heck didn't you heed to peer advice!
06-01-2018, 03:50 PM
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.......and the company sucks and you should not come here. ATSG is now paying penalties to DHL per month for late departure arrivals. Maintenance is horrible. The Vice President of maintenance is blaming the pilots for writing up jets and the president recently told his employees that pilots work only 13 days a month and get paid $200,000 a year. He referred to us as greedy. Have a feeling those words are going to bite him in the third quarter.
06-01-2018, 03:52 PM
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I wish you the best what ever you decide. Look at jet blue and spirit if you can't get a major. They just rewarded their pilots with rates much higher than abx and ati and a 15% retirement plan not to mention defined growth plans with a real reserve system and trip trades done with a computer! Imagine that!
06-01-2018, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
That should tell you a lot right there current employees saying go elsewhere. There is a lot of information on other threads but in my opinion here are the facts:
Jr manning happens all the time, you will be required to work on your days off. They always run short staffed.
Abx is losing flying most recently Atlanta. There are less and less line holders each month.
The last upgrades were well over a year ago and all the FOS who upgraded had 20 plus years with the company. There entire top half of the FO list has 20 years too. You will be waiting a long long long time to upgrade.
The union simply will not be caving to accept any concessions or ATI like contract. Management is ruthlesss here and this could be the final straw. They are going to continue to move flying elsewhere until it's all gone. And the pilots are prepared to retire or go elsewhere to work.
Reserve life is pure hell. There is no reserve "system" they can do what ever they please to you including 12 hour ready reserve at the airport with no limits, you will do alot of it! Be prepared to be on reserve for 2 years or more which will require a lot of out of pocket hotel rooms!
Even though they say they are paying for hotels and Per diem during training the union is filing a grievance and if successful you will pay for it on your own. Nobody here had it paid for and management simply doesn't care that nobody before you got it. Everyone else paid for it on their own and you will too!
Scheduling just cuts off trades when they feel like it with no recourse. Good luck on ever planning.
One bust in a type and it stays with you forever in your background check.
Why would you want to work for a place that doesn't care about pilots?
It's all threats, intimidation, no growth, out dated contract. The president brags about how many pilots he has furloughed in his career!
You said your going to commute? No KCM here and the commute clause requires you get to cvg 6 hours before you sign in with 2 flights off line. In the system you can do 1 flight but that's limited and losing flying doesn't help. Ask everyone commuting from atl.
Seriously there are much much better places to work. Every 151 is looking elsewhere and some senior folks.
Anyone who would come to a place that doesn't appreciate pilots must have trouble getting hired at a real airline!
Amazon yeah right they hate abx because of the strike. Even if it takes off just Google news articles they say it could be 2025 until cvg is built out and there is no guarantee abx will be here to do any of the flying when ATI is full of pilots with no self worth willing to do it for RJ pay!
Good luck being a new FO and you decide to take the job. You can sit there for 5 hours on the flight and stare at the panel. And when you get back you can sit for 12 hours in cvg on reserve and think why in the heck didn't you listen to peer advice!
Jr manning happens all the time, you will be required to work on your days off. They always run short staffed.
Abx is losing flying most recently Atlanta. There are less and less line holders each month.
The last upgrades were well over a year ago and all the FOS who upgraded had 20 plus years with the company. There entire top half of the FO list has 20 years too. You will be waiting a long long long time to upgrade.
The union simply will not be caving to accept any concessions or ATI like contract. Management is ruthlesss here and this could be the final straw. They are going to continue to move flying elsewhere until it's all gone. And the pilots are prepared to retire or go elsewhere to work.
Reserve life is pure hell. There is no reserve "system" they can do what ever they please to you including 12 hour ready reserve at the airport with no limits, you will do alot of it! Be prepared to be on reserve for 2 years or more which will require a lot of out of pocket hotel rooms!
Even though they say they are paying for hotels and Per diem during training the union is filing a grievance and if successful you will pay for it on your own. Nobody here had it paid for and management simply doesn't care that nobody before you got it. Everyone else paid for it on their own and you will too!
Scheduling just cuts off trades when they feel like it with no recourse. Good luck on ever planning.
One bust in a type and it stays with you forever in your background check.
Why would you want to work for a place that doesn't care about pilots?
It's all threats, intimidation, no growth, out dated contract. The president brags about how many pilots he has furloughed in his career!
You said your going to commute? No KCM here and the commute clause requires you get to cvg 6 hours before you sign in with 2 flights off line. In the system you can do 1 flight but that's limited and losing flying doesn't help. Ask everyone commuting from atl.
Seriously there are much much better places to work. Every 151 is looking elsewhere and some senior folks.
Anyone who would come to a place that doesn't appreciate pilots must have trouble getting hired at a real airline!
Amazon yeah right they hate abx because of the strike. Even if it takes off just Google news articles they say it could be 2025 until cvg is built out and there is no guarantee abx will be here to do any of the flying when ATI is full of pilots with no self worth willing to do it for RJ pay!
Good luck being a new FO and you decide to take the job. You can sit there for 5 hours on the flight and stare at the panel. And when you get back you can sit for 12 hours in cvg on reserve and think why in the heck didn't you listen to peer advice!
06-01-2018, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
That should tell you a lot right there current employees saying go elsewhere. There is a lot of information on other threads but in my opinion here are the facts:
Jr manning happens all the time, you will be required to work on your days off. They always run short staffed.
Abx is losing flying most recently Atlanta. There are less and less line holders each month.
The last upgrades were well over a year ago and all the FOS who upgraded had 20 plus years with the company. There entire top half of the FO list has 20 years too. You will be waiting a long long long time to upgrade.
The union simply will not be caving to accept any concessions or ATI like contract. Management is ruthlesss here and this could be the final straw. They are going to continue to move flying elsewhere until it's all gone. And the pilots are prepared to retire or go elsewhere to work.
Reserve life is pure hell. There is no reserve "system" they can do what ever they please to you including 12 hour ready reserve at the airport with no limits, you will do alot of it! Be prepared to be on reserve for 2 years or more which will require a lot of out of pocket hotel rooms!
Even though they say they are paying for hotels and Per diem during training the union is filing a grievance and if successful you will pay for it on your own. Nobody here had it paid for and management simply doesn't care that nobody before you got it. Everyone else paid for it on their own and you will too!
Scheduling just cuts off trades when they feel like it with no recourse. Good luck on ever planning.
One bust in a type and it stays with you forever in your background check.
Why would you want to work for a place that doesn't care about pilots?
It's all threats, intimidation, no growth, out dated contract. The president brags about how many pilots he has furloughed in his career!
You said your going to commute? No KCM here and the commute clause requires you get to cvg 6 hours before you sign in with 2 flights off line. In the system you can do 1 flight but that's limited and losing flying doesn't help. Ask everyone commuting from atl.
Seriously there are much much better places to work. Every 151 is looking elsewhere and some senior folks.
Anyone who would come to a place that doesn't appreciate pilots must have trouble getting hired at a real airline!
Amazon yeah right they hate abx because of the strike. Even if it takes off just Google news articles they say it could be 2025 until cvg is built out and there is no guarantee abx will be here to do any of the flying when ATI is full of pilots with no self worth willing to do it for RJ pay!
Good luck being a new FO and you decide to take the job. You can sit there for 5 hours on the flight and stare at the panel. And when you get back you can sit for 12 hours in cvg on reserve and think why in the heck didn't you listen to peer advice!
Jr manning happens all the time, you will be required to work on your days off. They always run short staffed.
Abx is losing flying most recently Atlanta. There are less and less line holders each month.
The last upgrades were well over a year ago and all the FOS who upgraded had 20 plus years with the company. There entire top half of the FO list has 20 years too. You will be waiting a long long long time to upgrade.
The union simply will not be caving to accept any concessions or ATI like contract. Management is ruthlesss here and this could be the final straw. They are going to continue to move flying elsewhere until it's all gone. And the pilots are prepared to retire or go elsewhere to work.
Reserve life is pure hell. There is no reserve "system" they can do what ever they please to you including 12 hour ready reserve at the airport with no limits, you will do alot of it! Be prepared to be on reserve for 2 years or more which will require a lot of out of pocket hotel rooms!
Even though they say they are paying for hotels and Per diem during training the union is filing a grievance and if successful you will pay for it on your own. Nobody here had it paid for and management simply doesn't care that nobody before you got it. Everyone else paid for it on their own and you will too!
Scheduling just cuts off trades when they feel like it with no recourse. Good luck on ever planning.
One bust in a type and it stays with you forever in your background check.
Why would you want to work for a place that doesn't care about pilots?
It's all threats, intimidation, no growth, out dated contract. The president brags about how many pilots he has furloughed in his career!
You said your going to commute? No KCM here and the commute clause requires you get to cvg 6 hours before you sign in with 2 flights off line. In the system you can do 1 flight but that's limited and losing flying doesn't help. Ask everyone commuting from atl.
Seriously there are much much better places to work. Every 151 is looking elsewhere and some senior folks.
Anyone who would come to a place that doesn't appreciate pilots must have trouble getting hired at a real airline!
Amazon yeah right they hate abx because of the strike. Even if it takes off just Google news articles they say it could be 2025 until cvg is built out and there is no guarantee abx will be here to do any of the flying when ATI is full of pilots with no self worth willing to do it for RJ pay!
Good luck being a new FO and you decide to take the job. You can sit there for 5 hours on the flight and stare at the panel. And when you get back you can sit for 12 hours in cvg on reserve and think why in the heck didn't you listen to peer advice!
^^^^^^and these are the “host of reasons” that I didn’t mention in my earlier post.....decline the offer and look elsewhere!!
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