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06-15-2018, 04:37 AM

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nitefr8dog

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Originally Posted by captjns

The best route the crew could have taken would have been to call fatigue.

Does ABX provide it’s crews and Ops personnel with Fatigue Education and Awareness Training?

Either something’s missing or there has to be more to the story.

After all, the OP provides a “Disclaimer” before an accounting of the events that occurred.

Really? I am going to say there is not a single carrier operating without a FAA required FRM program in place. But nobody can make the call for another individual. Its a little different in the ACMI freight world than the passenger carriers. You call in fatigued at an outbase...there often times is no way to recover the 50 to 60k of fresh fish or flowers or whatever. Unlike passengers who have no loyalty to that carrier and just get shoved on the next available flight. Here many times the flight is cancelled and the freight goes no where. Not a good reason to not call off fatigued....but it certainly plays in the decision process. And if pilots at ACMI carriers say they would never let that influence their decision they are lying. They will be the same ones who are asleep 30 mn after take off.

06-15-2018, 05:27 AM

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METO Guido

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Fatigue risk management, as approved, becomes an element of SMS. Anyone seeking to override a crew call for additional rest is out of touch with the regulatory process.

06-15-2018, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by METO Guido

Fatigue risk management, as approved, becomes an element of SMS. Anyone seeking to override a crew call for additional rest is out of touch with the regulatory process.

Yes ...and without spending alot of time researching because I really don't care... I am guessing with all the awarness focused on fatigue lately it has become "required" by most POI's or the FAA at every airline. JMHO

06-15-2018, 06:03 AM

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If the freight is that important to both customers and company then the company should be making every effort for the crew to be well rested and ready for the flight. This cost extra money which should be passed to the customer. So if the customer really wants his stuff moved should be willing to pay cost for the reliability.

You get what you pay for.

06-15-2018, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by max8222

We are talking about ABX yes? The words extra money and ABX do not sound right when said together.

06-15-2018, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

We are talking about ABX yes? The words extra money and ABX do not sound right when said together.

Well, not really. ABX/ATSG probably charges extra to the customer with the excuse of crew rest and flight safety. The problem is that JH and his boys won’t use it for crew rest and flight safety. They just pocket the extra charges and try to squeeze more work out of the pilots. Nothing but lying and cheating scoundrels.

06-17-2018, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

Under provisions of Pt. 117, AC120-103A and SMS implementation guidelines, can't imagine any Part 121 certificate holder currently operating without (FRMS) one. The underlying concept of SMS, as best I understand it, self surveillance to the regulator's satisfaction. Advocating a crewmember reconsider a decision to obtain rest when reporting too fatigued (unfit) for duty, if substantiated, obviously in conflict with a carrier's signed commitment to safety. On the other hand, always another hand, you do need to declare fatigue and follow-up with the necessary FRM paperwork.