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Old 06-13-2018, 02:38 PM   #1  
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Default Harassment Claim filed against ABX Management

Disclaimer; I am not the person that this happened to. I am relaying it to the community for educational purposes. The post will keep to the facts and let you draw your own conclusion about the present state of the ABX work environment.

For those with limited time I'll start with the TLDR of the post.

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An HR complaint filed on the chief pilot and DO of ops at ABX. Harassment charges have been file forcing a Captain to fly his flight when hit hotel had and fire and the entire hotel guests were not allowed back in for almost an hour. There was another hour of no electricity in a hotel in the islands with high heat. He was suppose to get ready for his trip during this time. Scheduling approved him getting a new hotel and resetting his crew rest. The chief pilot called and wanted to change his report time. A follow up call by the DO he was told to either fatigue out or fly the trip else there would be penalties.

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June 7th;

Removed from a flight due to crew rest issue. Sent to a none compliant hotel on a lower income island nation.

Woken by a call around three hours after check in from an angry hotel staff. The airline had not paid for the rooms.

A request was made to scheduling to reset the ten hour crew rest due to the interruption. This was approved. The were notified that they would commercial back to the US the next day in the morning.

June 8th;

The next morning the crew met for breakfast. There was still the issue of non payment. The crew went to get in the van but scheduling informed them they would be operating a flight and to go back to the hotel.

Several hours later after having difficulty sleeping a fire alarm went off. Initially the crew was told it was a false alarm. They were told to return to their rooms. Approximately twenty minutes later we were informed that there was smoke and to evacuate to the parking lot. They were told to leave everything and go.

A call was made to scheduling to make them aware of the situation.

One hour later before the show time a call was made to scheduling to request crew rest. The reason for this is that the crews rest had been interrupted multiple times due to varying problems. The had spent that last hour standing in a high heat, high humidity environment with no reprieve.

The captain was contacted by the chief pilot. The chief tried to get the captain to accept that the fire alarm going off the first time could be considered their show time. The crew members at this time could not return to their rooms to collect their belongings.

A call is made to scheduling approximately half an hour later after the crew is let back in. Scheduling approves their ten hours of rest. The hotel has no power. The elevator and air conditioning system are inoperative.

A call is made to the captain from the chief pilot. The chief pilot presses for the time change and heavily presses the captain to try to go. Being physiologically incapable of operating in a safe manner the captain stood by the fact that he needed more rest.

The DO calls. He informs the captain it is a legal assignment. The captain has a choice of either calling out fatigued or flying the trip. This was viewed as an ultimatum with no flexibility. Those were the only two options given.

The captain felt his safety was never addressed. He felt pressured into doing something he didn't feel comfortable doing. He also felt that management never cared about the issues of the crew. They only wanted them to complete their tasks.
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Old 06-13-2018, 04:05 PM   #2  
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Who or what is causing / forcing the chief pilot and DO to behave in such an irresponsible and potentially criminal manner ? That appears to be central to the issue. This sounds like something you would hear from a third rate African operator and not a US airline. The owners should be held to account. Could there not be an undercover operation created to find out these scoundrels ? Let`s all hope for justice.
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Old 06-13-2018, 04:30 PM   #3  
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Is the DO “Captain” Briner? Soapys good buddy?

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Aren't the calls to/from sked and with CP/DO recorded?
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Old 06-13-2018, 04:57 PM   #5  
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Is the DO “Captain” Briner? Soapys good buddy?
He’s the manager of flight crew training. The DO is BB.

To answer the other question. The calls to/from crew scheduling are recorded. The calls from the CP/DO probably aren’t especially if they use their cell phone.
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Always have a recorder app on your phone.
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The calls to/from crew scheduling are recorded. The calls from the CP/DO probably aren’t especially if they use their cell phone.
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Always have a recorder app on your phone.
Thanks, Kougarok.

Tiredofjrm: Exactly. Management types would be idiots not to assume that every call they participate in is being recorded, especially contentious ones.

Oh. Wait.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:23 PM   #8  
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For the record this isn’t the first harassment charge filed against this management team.
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Why didn't he just call fatigued? What am I missing?
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Why didn't he just call fatigued? What am I missing?
I agree. From what I read the CP asked him to.
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