IOE with 3pilot crew flight
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IOE with 3pilot crew flight
Have a question for you guys that fly long flights with a 3 pilot crew.
My company is saying that the entire block time would count towards the 100 hr consolidation requirement. My understanding is that only time sitting at the controls counts. Anyone know how the FAA looks at it? We fly under supplemental rules, so there is no crew rest, just have to follow req that says, no more than 8 hrs at the controls and no more that 12 hrs flight time.
My company is saying that the entire block time would count towards the 100 hr consolidation requirement. My understanding is that only time sitting at the controls counts. Anyone know how the FAA looks at it? We fly under supplemental rules, so there is no crew rest, just have to follow req that says, no more than 8 hrs at the controls and no more that 12 hrs flight time.
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It's my understanding only 2/3's of it counts for consolidation.
Also, if you are doing IOE you aren't qualified so you will need a 4th pilot.
Also, if you are doing IOE you aren't qualified so you will need a 4th pilot.
Have a question for you guys that fly long flights with a 3 pilot crew.
My company is saying that the entire block time would count towards the 100 hr consolidation requirement. My understanding is that only time sitting at the controls counts. Anyone know how the FAA looks at it? We fly under supplemental rules, so there is no crew rest, just have to follow req that says, no more than 8 hrs at the controls and no more that 12 hrs flight time.
My company is saying that the entire block time would count towards the 100 hr consolidation requirement. My understanding is that only time sitting at the controls counts. Anyone know how the FAA looks at it? We fly under supplemental rules, so there is no crew rest, just have to follow req that says, no more than 8 hrs at the controls and no more that 12 hrs flight time.
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He’s saying the guy on IOE can’t be at his duty station without the LCA (i.e the LCA can’t be resting while the IOE student flies with the RFO). Therefore, they have to put a 4th pilot on the crew so the IOE student can rest at the same time his LCA is resting.
Also, concur with the two-thirds counting toward consolidation on a 3-man crew.
Also, concur with the two-thirds counting toward consolidation on a 3-man crew.
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Only “seat time” during the OE portion. The Checkairman is not allowed to go into rest and leave you unsupervised with the IRO. You require adult supervision until signed off. Therefor, your flight time limit is equal to a 2 pilot crew even though you may have 3 pilots onboard. The LCA is allowed to leave the flight deck temporarily for physiological reasons.
If you have 4 pilots you will go to rest at the same time as the LCA as posted above.
If you have 4 pilots you will go to rest at the same time as the LCA as posted above.
Last edited by Birdsmash; 06-10-2018 at 02:22 PM.
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Therefor, your flight time limit is equal to a 2 pilot crew even though you may have 3 pilots onboard. The LCA is allowed to leave the flight deck temporarily for physiological reasons.
If you have 4 pilots you will go to rest at the same time as the LCA as posted above.
If you have 4 pilots you will go to rest at the same time as the LCA as posted above.
Reading between the lines of your post, it sounds like you’re saying the LCA stays on the flight deck to “supervise” the IOE student while he and the IRO are in the seats. If that’s the case, that’s absolute BS. Not the intent of the FAR and I’m really surprised your company hasn’t been called on that. Just what a long haul flight with training being accomplished needs..... a fatigued LCA on approach after nothing but “physiological breaks” the whole flight.
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You guys really went down a rabbit hole about IOE when that wasn’t even the original posters question. He was asking about the 100 hours requirement not IOE prior to the line check.
The title of the post is misleading though.
The title of the post is misleading though.
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