It really makes for a horrible ride. It's one thing when you are hitchiking to work and ride to work by your own choice, and another when they are forcing you to deadhead on one of our MD-11's. I guess changing that just wasn't a high priority for those that negotiated our contract. They felt that limiting our exposure was good enough. The company has decided to ignore those limits as much as they can. We have three business class seats back there, but they are mounted very close to the bulkhead so they hardly recline. Sweet deal!

The story I heard was that Fred used to attend all the Wednesday night pilot meetings, but over time, it got to be very tedious for him. So one night when there were quite a few pilots attending the meeting, Fred gets up and says "the trouble with you pilots is that you want to make 200K dollars a year and only work on Thursdays." To which, one of our guys stands up and replies: "Yeah, Fred, but not EVERY Thursday." It was told that that was the last time Fred ever attended one of those meetings.:D

Is that the same thing as "my dick in a box" like Justin Timberlake did on SNL?? :D

The guy in the movie actually climbed out of the oven!:rolleyes:

Not true, the biggest error was that he was on that fateful flight to begin with. He should have been fired for drinking wine on the earlier flight!:rolleyes:

so. . . since these planes with bunks don't have the seats in the back, how hard is it to sleep in the jump seat on the flight deck? Hope they don't snore . . . but hey, noise cancelling headsets . . .

With no jumpseats in the back, you're at the mercy of the Captain, as far as if he'll allow you to ride at all (on flights over 4 hours). I actually know a few who won't allow anyone in their cockpit. Period. Most will, and in fact, if it's only a two person crew, the captain will usually allow the jumpseater to use the crew rest area (CRA). If it's a 3 person crew, the jumpseater (in most cases) will have to tough it out in the jumpseat, as the rest of the crew cycles through the CRA.

As for sleeping in the jumpseats, well, anything's possible, depending how tired you were to begin with. The only problem with the jumpseater snoring is it might actually keep the crew awake.:D

As for noise canceling headseats, most guys don't wear any headsets at cruise, preferring to use the overhead speakers. That's one of the big benefits of the Mad Dog: it's very quite at altitude.

so, is it possible to sleep in the noisy 27?

Anything's possible. I've done it, but it takes practice and you have to be REALLY tired.

The 727 doesn't operate any legs with supplemental crews, so there is no requirement to provide a "free from duty" time or environment.


But that's not exactly what you asked, is it? ;)



It's possible to sleep between the 1,000' callout and the 500' callout on final, in any seat, but that's a different subject. :eek:




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