Southern Air At-Less “Parity” TA
07-21-2018, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlagging
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$9 an hour raise and $30K (average) signing bonus, (after taxes $20K?)
$9 an hour raise and $30K (average) signing bonus, (after taxes $20K?)
07-21-2018, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by iPilot
This isn't the great deal Atlas is advertising. The fact that they offered southern 2 deals inside of a month I'd say the smart decision is to decline this offer and tell them you want an entirely new contract, not just Atlas' old contract with even more loopholes baked in.
All this LOA does is bring us into parity with our fellow Atlas pilots. The JCBA negotiations are ongoing. The Teamsters would not allow, nor would the majority of Southern pilots vote for anything exceeding the current Atlas CBA. We need to move forward together with our brothers and sisters at Atlas. Sure there are some that would jump at anything better offered. However, these are the same that would pimp out their own moms for an extra $1.
To now say to Atlas management “Hey, now that you are showing some interest we want even more” would be the same as if you were partway through buying a house and the seller said “Hey, now that you are showing some interest we want even more” . Both actions would result in a “Go F yourself”!
07-21-2018, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash
The Southern pilots have been asking for parity since soon after we were bought. The purchase of Southern by AAWW delayed the Southern Section 6 negotiations that were already underway by the Southern pilots (and Atlas’s pilots also unfortunately). There is wording in our bankruptcy CBA that would have led to forced arbitration in November 2016. We would have had a new CBA by now if not for the purchase. It’s not worth speculating how crappy or good it would’ve been...not industry leading I’m sure.
All this LOA does is bring us into parity with our fellow Atlas pilots. The JCBA negotiations are ongoing. The Teamsters would not allow, nor would the majority of Southern pilots vote for anything exceeding the current Atlas CBA. We need to move forward together with our brothers and sisters at Atlas. Sure there are some that would jump at anything better offered. However, these are the same that would pimp out their own moms for an extra $1.
To now say to Atlas management “Hey, now that you are showing some interest we want even more” would be the same as if you were partway through buying a house and the seller said “Hey, now that you are showing some interest we want even more” . Both actions would result in a “Go F yourself”!
All this LOA does is bring us into parity with our fellow Atlas pilots. The JCBA negotiations are ongoing. The Teamsters would not allow, nor would the majority of Southern pilots vote for anything exceeding the current Atlas CBA. We need to move forward together with our brothers and sisters at Atlas. Sure there are some that would jump at anything better offered. However, these are the same that would pimp out their own moms for an extra $1.
To now say to Atlas management “Hey, now that you are showing some interest we want even more” would be the same as if you were partway through buying a house and the seller said “Hey, now that you are showing some interest we want even more” . Both actions would result in a “Go F yourself”!
07-21-2018, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jetlagging
If my understanding is zero, it’s more than you! FWIW, I am a Southern Air pilot and you can shove your roadshows up your behind and if you think the teamsters can bribe me on behalf of Dietrich and Flynn for $20 large you are critically and ignorantly mistaken.
This TA is more worthless than the 737 LOA which should have also been sent back. Look at where that one got us. The only ones who benefit from this are Atlas management (2-3 more years till the next contract). Please tell Dietrich and Flynn to go type themselves they can go fly their own freight. Good luck filling classes idiots.
This TA is more worthless than the 737 LOA which should have also been sent back. Look at where that one got us. The only ones who benefit from this are Atlas management (2-3 more years till the next contract). Please tell Dietrich and Flynn to go type themselves they can go fly their own freight. Good luck filling classes idiots.
07-22-2018, 02:30 AM
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Is there any wonder now why Kalitta Pilots left 1224? Another screw job. Why would a legitimate union allow a B scale for their supposedly union brothers. No Atlas profit sharing? I stopped reading after that. It sickens me to see another pilot group thrown under the bus by DW and his minions.
07-22-2018, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by maxjet
Is there any wonder now why Kalitta Pilots left 1224? Another screw job. Why would a legitimate union allow a B scale for their supposedly union brothers. No Atlas profit sharing? I stopped reading after that. It sickens me to see another pilot group thrown under the bus by DW and his minions.
The atlas crewmembers have been fighting since day 1 to bring our brothers and sisters at Southern up to the complete and total current Atlas CBA (as outdated as it is). It is management that has refused to do the right thing and has instead insisted that the folks at Southern be treated as second class employees.
Honestly, this seems to me to be exactly the opposite of why K4 was upset. If I recall correctly, you guys were mad because you didn't get to vote as soon as you wanted to (which, one can understand). Now the folks at Southern have an opportunity to exercise their vote on whether or not they think this LOA is in their best interest, and yet this is also somehow 1224's fault?
It is entirely up to the Southern crew force now whether or not they want to ratify this LOA, and the Atlas crew force supports whatever decision they may make.
Go look for excuses to be mad at DW somewhere else.
07-22-2018, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by maxjet
Is there any wonder now why Kalitta Pilots left 1224? Another screw job. Why would a legitimate union allow a B scale for their supposedly union brothers. No Atlas profit sharing? I stopped reading after that. It sickens me to see another pilot group thrown under the bus by DW and his minions.
Atlas Air pilots ONLY get Atlas Air profit sharing, NOT AAWWH. If the new Southern agreement was exactly the same as the Atlas Air contract, then Southern pilots would only get Southern Air profit sharing.
AAWWH can do whatever it wants, such as take the whole Atlas Air profit, and use it to buy aircraft, or move that money to Polar, etc. They can do the same with the Southern Air profit.
For Atlas Air (or Southern) pilots to get true Profit Sharing, we would need to get a share of the AAWWH profit. Atlas Air pilots do not have this now, and I'm assuming that Southern Air pilots will not get it, either.
I hope this clears up the reason that Southern Air pilots probably will not get Atlas Air profit sharing...but they may get Southern Air profit sharing...I don't know about that as I haven't read the proposed LOA.
Also, DW and 1224 asked for Southern Air pilots parity with Atlas Air pilots immediately upon finding out that AAWWH bought Southern. I don't believe that they threw any pilot group under the bus.
I hope that ALPA works great for Kalitta Air, and your pilot group gets what they want in the future.
God Bless, and Namaste...
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