trip

The old parking brake argument will never hold up in court if sterile violations are suspected when you abort and go off the end. How do you prove the brake was set when you were snapping pics at the runway end?
The P brake argument is only for ops/MX calls. As always your operation may have variances approved or not allowed that take precedence.
So all you new RJ drivers go ahead and pull out your cell/sandwich/newspaper at the runway end, Big John on the Internet said it's OK as long as the P brake is set.

AC 120-74B is a good read

"(b) Remind all cockpit occupants of the importance of maintaining a sterile cockpit, but encourage the ability to speak up if anyone sees a potential conflict or interprets a clearance differently. Encourage jump seaters to monitor communications.
(c) When operating an aircraft that does not have a door between the flight deck and the passenger compartment, the pilot may need to ask passengers to maintain a sterile cockpit and refrain from unnecessary conversation from the time the preflight preparations begin until the time the aircraft is clear of the terminal area and at cruising altitude. "

"(k) Though the use of cell phones and other electrical devices are prohibited during commercial use of aircraft, use of cell phones or personal devices can be a valuable asset such as, communicating with maintenance, ATC, as well as obtaining realtime weather. Typically these uses should only be allowed on inactive taxi areas when stopped, or parked with engines shut down. It is important to assure that everyone present in the aircraft have their phones and devices turned off during taxi operations to prevent any distractions."

What say you JB? Hey BTW good job getting dead thread up to 3 pages!
Let's hope our banter gets some new (and old pilots) thinking about this.

JohnBurke

You're really dense enough to think that the B767 in the picture in this thread is going to slide off the end of the runway because one of the pilots takes a picture while holding short? You think it would have any bearing at all, or impact safety of flight, or become a legal issue in any way, shape, or form? You're not that dense, are you? Say it isn't so.

Were the aircraft or aircrew to have an issue and slide off the end for any number of reasons, the fact that the crew took a picture of four antiquated airplanes sitting on the end of the runway wouldn't have any impact at all. None.

But then you haven't been able to link or cite regulation stating otherwise, and let's face it, your citations are cropped, and sorely lacking. Chiefly ancedotal references to autofocus, cartoon flow charts, and references to what sixty thousand pilots might do. You do love the straw man.

It was your assertion, after all; you're unable to support it. This seems to upset you.

trip

I'm not upset, I made a lighthearted statement about how airline pilots might not want to share pics with random requests or social media. You immediately resorted to name calling, ridicule and personal attacks as you usually do.
You provided zero references to back up your assertion that Pbrake equals a freebie.
If you can't read or comprehend I can't help you.

JohnBurke

And still no citations. No support. No leg up on which to stand.

Yet you keep stomping those bloody stumps. Why is that?

Grumble

JB youre wrong, and need to look up the definitions and differences of a PED and EFB. The exact same device can be both and depending on how and when you use it can get you violated.

If you’re so confident, I dare you to start posting pictures on social media you’ve taken, especially during sterile cockpit times.

Trip, let him go... hopefully he’s senior to you.

Sluggo_63

The auto focus isn't the point. It's whether or not the device you are using can transmit data wirelessly.

So if you have started movement of the aircraft for the purpose of flight and are at a flight crewmember station, you can't use any device that transmits through a cell service, which would be all smartphone cameras and other cameras that transmit cellularly. If it's a camera that doesn't (old school SLR), you're probably good.

Of course, if it's Part 91, all that 121 stuff may not apply.

HwkrPlt

Cell phones have airplane mode, so it doesn't transmit. Plus I bet 50% of the pax in back have their phones on, so I wouldn't worry about it screwing up an aircraft system. And if you can't take a pic while the other guy flies/taxis without crashing, perhaps you should choose a different career.

tomgoodman

Ah, so just set the brake and get up (for any plausible reason ).
Now you are not at a flight crewmember station.

METO Guido

Because distraction during critical phases of flight has proven deadly & best practice crews work within the standards they've been qualified to.

HwkrPlt

Sure, sending a text at 1000 AGL on an ILS to mins is probably not a good idea. Taking a pic of a B-25 while holding short of a taxiway most likely won't lead to anyone dying.

But you need to tailor the regs to the lowest common denominator, so therefore you get what we have.