Recent FedEx 767 delivery flight
#41
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That is the requirement FAA side. If operator says it won't interfere, FAA doesn't layer on any particular use restrictions under part 91.
If you are claiming FEDEX is flying devices (company provided) that interfere that is a very strong claim - you'd need to support that.
For personal camera, FOM would guide - so I don't have a clue there.
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The point here is this was a company provided item I thought. Don't your ipads take photos? Those are used after block out for company stuff. So company has presumably determined it won't interfere.
That is the requirement FAA side. If operator says it won't interfere, FAA doesn't layer on any particular use restrictions under part 91.
If you are claiming FEDEX is flying devices (company provided) that interfere that is a very strong claim - you'd need to support that.
For personal camera, FOM would guide - so I don't have a clue there.
That is the requirement FAA side. If operator says it won't interfere, FAA doesn't layer on any particular use restrictions under part 91.
If you are claiming FEDEX is flying devices (company provided) that interfere that is a very strong claim - you'd need to support that.
For personal camera, FOM would guide - so I don't have a clue there.
So your company iPads are legal, but your personal iPad isn't. That's FAA logic for you.
#44
The point here is this was a company provided item I thought. Don't your ipads take photos? Those are used after block out for company stuff. So company has presumably determined it won't interfere.
That is the requirement FAA side. If operator says it won't interfere, FAA doesn't layer on any particular use restrictions under part 91.
If you are claiming FEDEX is flying devices (company provided) that interfere that is a very strong claim - you'd need to support that.
For personal camera, FOM would guide - so I don't have a clue there.
That is the requirement FAA side. If operator says it won't interfere, FAA doesn't layer on any particular use restrictions under part 91.
If you are claiming FEDEX is flying devices (company provided) that interfere that is a very strong claim - you'd need to support that.
For personal camera, FOM would guide - so I don't have a clue there.
METOGuido got it exactly right when he said:
Several incidents involving a breakdown of cockpit discipline prompted Congress to address this issue via legislation. In one instance, two pilots were using their personal laptop computers during cruise flight and lost situational awareness, leading to a 150 mile fly-by of their destination. In another instance, a pilot sent a text message on her personal cell phone during the taxi phase of the flight after the aircraft pushed back from the gate and before the take-off sequence. These incidents illustrate the potential for such devices to create a hazardous distraction during critical phases of flight.
This rule will ensure that certain nonessential activities do not contribute to the challenge of task management on the flight deck and do not contribute to a loss of situational awareness due to attention to non-essential activities, as highlighted by these incidents.
This rule will ensure that certain nonessential activities do not contribute to the challenge of task management on the flight deck and do not contribute to a loss of situational awareness due to attention to non-essential activities, as highlighted by these incidents.
In fact, the FAA actually addresses interference in the final rule.
The FAA notes that the potential for electromagnetic interference on the flight deck is beyond the scope of this rulemaking. This rulemaking is intended to ensure that certain non-essential activities do not contribute to the challenge of task management on the flight deck or a loss of situational awareness due to attention
to non-essential tasks.
to non-essential tasks.
And I agree the rule is dumb. It is very broad in what it bans (personal wireless communications devices). This includes everything basically that can transmit a signal. Cell phone, smart phone, e-readers, gaming systems, etc. But the FAA actually says "The provisions of the final rule do not prohibit the use of devices that
do not meet the definition of personal wireless communications devices." So, if it doesn't transmit, it's okay. So a newspaper, a book, a point and shoot camera (without wireless) are all okay. Am I any less distracted taking a picture with a Canon SureShot than I am with my iPhone? Probably not. Am I less engaged when I do a crossword puzzle with pen and paper rather than on a tablet? No. But one is banned and not the other. Go figure.
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