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Old 03-24-2019, 05:46 AM   #1301  
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OK, ask the guys the got 2/3rds of the way through classic training and then got sent to the 400. I could give other examples but trust me, they will ask you your choice but if something changes or they feel that another candidate would be better in a particular slot you are not getting your first choice. A new hire is on probation at Kalitta Air for a year, just like almost every airline in the Western world, and during that year they can do pretty much anything they please with your equipment choice.
The guys that were pulled from the classic and put on the 400 were the lucky ones. Did you ever talk to the guys right above that finished and went to the classic? Do you know how often they flew? It was done for a good reason. As a new hire today, I wouldn't waste any energy worrying about switching equipment midstream. It would also be a logistics nightmare for the training department today.
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Old 03-24-2019, 06:22 AM   #1302  
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Recent long article published. Good comparisons, very interesting and much needed light into ACMIís... Meat and bones in the middle, and end but I wonder how accurate the details.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...9-3-1028050092
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Recent long article published. Good comparisons, very interesting and much needed light into ACMI’s... Meat and bones in the middle, and end but I wonder how accurate the details.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...9-3-1028050092
Odd thread to share that given that K4 doesn’t fly for Amazon. It does mention that we make more than Atlas and ABX/ATI in one little blurb though.
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Old 03-24-2019, 10:54 AM   #1304  
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You donít fly for Amazon ...,YET. I figure after itís revealed ATSG cannot find and hire the crews for AZN expansion, Connie will swoop in and fill the void.
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Exactly, Connie ain't flying for Amazon YET.

We are all in this together.
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I thought Bezos already came to Connie and he wanted no part with Bezos demand that he own part of the company? There is a reason Bezos wants part ownership, so he can inject his style of labor relations. I want nothing to do with that.
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I thought Bezos already came to Connie and he wanted no part with Bezos demand that he own part of the company? There is a reason Bezos wants part ownership, so he can inject his style of labor relations. I want nothing to do with that.
It is an operational control requirement. Unless that changes I don’t see K4 flying Amazon.

My predictions? As noted in the last CP meeting, Atlas obtained the 4 400’s that we were supposed to get this year.

With the lack of 767 sim time availability, I see hiring slowing down for a bit. Most new hires will be assigned the 767, as that is where our growth is right now. The FAA has experienced some staffing issues and the ETOPS programs for everyone are behind schedule. For now expect hub freight flying.

400 new hire classes have gone from 16 back to 8, as staffing is finally catching up to airframes. More captain upgrades in the pipeline.

As the ioe pipeline empties out over the next few months, the 100 hour+ months for FO’s will be over. As the new Captains come online the same will happen for Captains.

777? Still awaiting word on who gets the first 4 DHL CMI aircraft. With ETOPS behind schedule, it may not bode well for K4. I still see us getting some of the aircraft, but we may be a 1 777 aircraft fleet for a while.

New contract negotions are right around the corner. Excellent Union leadership. Great relationship with the company. However, there will be NO BIG PAY RAISES. Very difficult for the Union to show the company how paying pilots more money makes more money for the company. Company knows most pilots will not be willing to make a lateral move and lose their current pay rate while they start over.

My point? If you are after big money, or a quick upgrade, you should look elsewhere. If you are a professional pilot who wants to see the world, work with other professional pilots who know how to have fun on the overnights, fly very well maintained aircraft, work for a company that puts your family first when crisis hits at home, and make a good living, come to K4.
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The first set of 777 guy's are heading to sim next week. Still looking at Jun / Jul for the 1st airframe to arrive then it will have to go MX, proving runs etc. The FAA shutdown has pushed some of the program back and ETOPS is now looking at November at best.

744 is basically crewed as it should be plus 60+ still in the training pipeline (Initial, OE & CA UPGD). The 74 is going to be crewed heavy so when the 777 starts and more airframes arrive the vacancy bids will thus draw pilots from the 74 and not leave it short of crews (don't expect the company to wave the 2 year equipment lock).

The days of FO's getting 90+ hours and a wealth of overtime for CA's & FO's are over. Plan on 64 hours pay.

76 still needs crews but sim availability is slowing initial and upgrade training.

Interviewing is still going on and classes are planned into May right now.

Now the other glitch is that DHL do not want 744's (-8's yes) operating from end of 2021, doesn't mean the 744 will go away, still plenty for it to do (THY, MIL etc), expansion of 76 & 777 fleets.

In the long run, take whatever fleet you get offered, they all pay the same and bypassing a class date because you didn't want XXX may also mean you won't get another call, they'll call the next on the list!!
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New contract negotions are right around the corner. Excellent Union leadership. Great relationship with the company. However, there will be NO BIG PAY RAISES. Very difficult for the Union to show the company how paying pilots more money makes more money for the company. Company knows most pilots will not be willing to make a lateral move and lose their current pay rate while they start over.
In general I value your opinions and what you have posted on this forum, now and in the past. But unless you are an active member of management who will be in the the negotiating room with both sides present, why would you post something like this? Surely you you know that management will see this or have it printed out for them to read. You are hurting our cause, YOUR unionís cause, when you say things like this. Frankly I am surprised you would put something like this out, especially considering your previous union negotiating experience in your previous career. Please consider your potential audience, many of whom certainly are not active K4 ALPA members. We intend to have pay raises, as well as much better retirement and a host of other things that we WILL achieve at the negotiating table.

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Old 03-25-2019, 06:39 PM   #1310  
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The first set of 777 guy's are heading to sim next week. Still looking at Jun / Jul for the 1st airframe to arrive then it will have to go MX, proving runs etc. The FAA shutdown has pushed some of the program back and ETOPS is now looking at November at best.

744 is basically crewed as it should be plus 60+ still in the training pipeline (Initial, OE & CA UPGD). The 74 is going to be crewed heavy so when the 777 starts and more airframes arrive the vacancy bids will thus draw pilots from the 74 and not leave it short of crews (don't expect the company to wave the 2 year equipment lock).

The days of FO's getting 90+ hours and a wealth of overtime for CA's & FO's are over. Plan on 64 hours pay.

76 still needs crews but sim availability is slowing initial and upgrade training.

Interviewing is still going on and classes are planned into May right now.

Now the other glitch is that DHL do not want 744's (-8's yes) operating from end of 2021, doesn't mean the 744 will go away, still plenty for it to do (THY, MIL etc), expansion of 76 & 777 fleets.

In the long run, take whatever fleet you get offered, they all pay the same and bypassing a class date because you didn't want XXX may also mean you won't get another call, they'll call the next on the list!!
Where did you hear 2021 for the 744? That's awfully specific.

Does seat lock only apply for same seat, or if you upgrade is that allowed within the 2 year lock? Sound's like this may not be too common an issue soon if upgrades get a little longer.
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