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Old 05-03-2019, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Joachim View Post
That’s what I meant. So you have to be ready to go to the airport at any given Moment on those overnights except on the 1/7? What is the call-out window in that case?
R2 I think is a two hour call out, from the hotel room they are paying for. They give you a window that is active for the reserve status. 99.9% of the time you can sleep through it without getting a phone call. Don't think I've ever been called on one. You just need to be an adult and be flight ready incase they call.
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Old 05-03-2019, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Joachim View Post
That’s what I meant. So you have to be ready to go to the airport at any given Moment on those overnights except on the 1/7? What is the call-out window in that case?
Like No Land 3 wrote, its only for certain time periods. Usually a maximum of 12 hours. While not duty Reserve is not rest so they can’t have you on call for 24 hours. You usually have time to do things even with R2 periods.
In addition, scheduling here has so far been pretty good. If nothing is going on I’ve had them cut me lose early.
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Old 05-04-2019, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk View Post
Like No Land 3 wrote, its only for certain time periods. Usually a maximum of 12 hours. While not duty Reserve is not rest so they can’t have you on call for 24 hours. You usually have time to do things even with R2 periods.
In addition, scheduling here has so far been pretty good. If nothing is going on I’ve had them cut me lose early.
Why would you think that reserve is not duty? Reserve is duty and your duty day starts at the beginning of your reserve period.
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Old 05-04-2019, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gollum View Post
Why would you think that reserve is not duty? Reserve is duty and your duty day starts at the beginning of your reserve period.
reserve is most definitely duty
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:34 AM
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I'm going with the FAA definition and the FAA has consistently maintained that reserve time is not duty, it just is not rest though I'm not 100% sure about 117, which doesn't apply to us anyway. Also, I glanced at the contract but did not find anything there but I may have missed it.

See McCormick interpretation, 1996.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf

Fortenberry (1991)

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
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Old 05-04-2019, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk View Post
I'm going with the FAA definition and the FAA has consistently maintained that reserve time is not duty, it just is not rest though I'm not 100% sure about 117, which doesn't apply to us anyway. Also, I glanced at the contract but did not find anything there but I may have missed it.

See McCormick interpretation, 1996.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf

Fortenberry (1991)

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf

FAA came out with a final rule in 2011.
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Old 05-04-2019, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverside View Post
FAA came out with a final rule in 2011.
Got a link? I thought that was under 117. All the recent decisions I’ve found refer to 117.

Whatever the FAA says, however, reserve time on our schedules is called “duty”.

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Old 05-04-2019, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk View Post
Got a link? I thought that was under 117. All the recent decisions I’ve found refer to 117.

Whatever the FAA says, however, reserve time on our schedules is called “duty”.
Regardless of what the FAA states, the contract considers Reserve time as Duty:
Section 25:

Maximum Duty Period
a. R-2 shall not exceed twelve (12) consecutive hours.
b. The Maximum Duty Period when R-2 is combined with another Duty
Assignment is as set forth in Section 18.
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Old 05-04-2019, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gollum View Post
Regardless of what the FAA states, the contract considers Reserve time as Duty:
Section 25:

Maximum Duty Period
a. R-2 shall not exceed twelve (12) consecutive hours.
b. The Maximum Duty Period when R-2 is combined with another Duty
Assignment is as set forth in Section 18.
Thanks for the correction and reference. Did a search of the contract but didn’t see that.

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Old 05-05-2019, 09:15 AM
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Yes the initial group of captains are in training right now in Singapore.
How many 777's is K4 getting? These are Emirates birds?
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