Lockheed

Fast yes
Accurate - well...

East Aspen Dash

What’s to be expected with a Commodore64?

Cujo665

The seniority system, nobody wants to be forced to start over. If we ever get our heads out of our ***, we’d create a system like the steel workers. Seniority totally transportable.

Regional Skywest now offers pay based upon years of 121 service up to 10 years.

Lockheed

The idea of a national seniority system was seriously floated as I recall after the big furloughs at Continental in the early 80's - don't remember which big pilot group killed it - but they did

looking forward what a beautiful thing that would have been

Cujo665

You’d never get guys today to vote a list that lets a guy from another company come over and potentially displace him.... that said, if pilots could walk anytime their employer tried to shaft them, we’d all have contracts where nobody would want to leave.

The solution is simple. Fence it. Put everybody on a single pilot list now. Anybody before the fence uses today’s crap system, anybody after the fence uses the new system. Eventually all us stupid narrow minded types will retire, and we will have left the industry a better place for future generations.

No more section six screwings. Just leave, and let the crappy employers sink.

sky jet

The reason it never took off and would fail today is that it sounds great when the industry is booming. How would you like to have 10 years in with say FedEx and then three airlines fail in a month like they did in 2008. There were also hundreds furloughed from the airlines that managed to stay in business. Now through no fault of your own or the managment at your company every pilot with 10 years and one day seniority from those airlines comes and pushes you out of your seat and maybe your job. Maybe some of those pilots pushing you out were 20 year guys at someplace like Comair. So now you have worked hard and attained your dream job and a pilot that was happy and content at a regional for 20 years takes your job.(Nothing wrong with that but the difference in compensation is staggering) The auto workers all belong to the UAW but when Chrysler closes a plant the most senior ones don't just bump to the Ford or GM plant down the road. The same is even true of jobs that pay you for experience. My wife is a banker and she can move between companies and pretty much keep her current rate of pay and benefits but if the banking industry is hurting and there are no jobs she is not moving anywhere.

Sadly, this is an idea that sounds good in the flush times but would really suck for junior (and perhaps not that junior) people in the bad times. We pick a horse in this career and unfortunately have to ride it to the end. I wish it was otherwise. I've ridden five horses and had two die under me.

Lockheed

and that's the sentiment that killed the idea

sky jet

Didn't say I liked it or even agreed with it. I'm just saying that those guys who are vested at a (currently) good airlines see no upside for them and a whole lot of downside for themselves. If you are lucky enough to have never had a career setback like you and I have you can not see a way that a industry wide seniority list would benefit you.

Aeirum

It wouldn’t work for the furloughed either at least not with the current pay scale structure. A 20 year candidate would be a hard sell over a 5 year one. They would effectively be unhireable.

Cujo665

Missed the part about the fence did ya? That wasn’t in any prior plan that I’m aware of. You make it the new standard for anybody hired after a certain date. Once all of us are gone and retired the industry will be better with the single list. Seniority in the industry rather than just seniority at the company becomes the new currency

It’s a pipe dream though because not enough people would fight for it.