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Old 11-11-2019, 12:56 AM
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Okay, maybe I didn’t make it clear enough. I just finished up two new hire FOs who were not previously 777/787 qualified. One 737 guy and one 767. Although prior 777/787 is a definite plus, it is not an exclusive requirement. Put your name in the hat. No app, no job...
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:21 AM
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Okay, maybe I didn’t make it clear enough. I just finished up two new hire FOs who were not previously 777/787 qualified. One 737 guy and one 767. Although prior 777/787 is a definite plus, it is not an exclusive requirement. Put your name in the hat. No app, no job...
Yeah but a regional captain is likely not going to have Boeing glass time....
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Old 11-11-2019, 01:24 PM
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Yeah but a regional captain is likely not going to have Boeing glass time....
True, but there are so many people coming back from middle eastern ops that it's more and more likely. That Part 129 time doesn't seem to get you very far when coming back to the US.
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Old 11-11-2019, 03:50 PM
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Part 129 time doesn't seem to get you very far when coming back to the US.
I don't understand why people believe this, Maybe is just a notion that has been passed along on the net so people believe is true? I don't really know but over the years, everybody that I know that wanted to go back state side haven't had any more issues getting interviews than your regular pilot working at the regionals or the ACMI's or charter, several of the captains at my outfit had gone to UPS, DAL & UAL recently! It took them some time (16 to 20 months) But isn't that the average time even from another company in the US?

I don't mean to contradict you is just that I haven't seen any issues for people wanting to come back!
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Old 11-11-2019, 04:42 PM
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Honestly, it seems to me the fundamental problem is that expats generally have fewer networking opportunities than stateside pilots, or at least fewer convenient ones. The percentage of pilots who get their dream job having done nothing but fill out the online app is vanishingly low, after all.

Exceptions to this expat generality would be shops with reasonable commuting contracts (allowing pilots to play the game on days off) and shops with an established history of people already making the jump (allowing current employees to network through the pipeline). I believe AJX qualifies on both counts, which is why your mileage may vary.
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Old 11-11-2019, 06:27 PM
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Honestly, it seems to me the fundamental problem is that expats generally have fewer networking opportunities than stateside pilots, or at least fewer convenient ones.
Pilots on the expat market have decades in the business the basic requirement to become an expat pilot is experience, they have enough low time pilots, that experience brings the network since people we have flown with and even trained are now in positions at the majors, not sure your theory holds water!

Maybe, just maybe! The whole "working abroad" disadvantage is just a bunch of nonsense.
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Old 11-11-2019, 06:41 PM
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I don't understand why people believe this, Maybe is just a notion that has been passed along on the net so people believe is true? I don't really know but over the years, everybody that I know that wanted to go back state side haven't had any more issues getting interviews than your regular pilot working at the regionals or the ACMI's or charter, several of the captains at my outfit had gone to UPS, DAL & UAL recently! It took them some time (16 to 20 months) But isn't that the average time even from another company in the US?

I don't mean to contradict you is just that I haven't seen any issues for people wanting to come back!
Did they have previous Part 121 time? Most companies (career destinations) seem to require it to apply. I'll have to double check.

I saw many former Emirates guys at my previous regional recently. Maybe they just didn't want to wait for one of the big 3 to call, I'm not sure. They were a mix of FOs and street CAs as well. I know one Australian guy that was really ****ed off they wouldn't let him be a street CA because he had 11,000 hours in ATRs or Dash 8s over there and he didn't qualify to be a CA here and thought he deserved a waiver to upgrade. That guy was an oddball though.

I believe most of the guys coming back from over there have 1000 Part 121, or 1000 TPIC Part 121 so they should qualify for most jobs here.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:55 PM
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We have a ton of expats, turboprop guys hired on the past two years with no prior 121 time.
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:07 PM
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FWIW my previous post was in reference to the regional capt inquiring about the current hiring and the 777 situation.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:27 PM
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We have a ton of expats, turboprop guys hired on the past two years with no prior 121 time.
And a few in the 777 training program as well correct? I'm sure it's a good group to hire from with that worldwide experience.

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Pilots on the expat market have decades in the business the basic requirement to become an expat pilot is experience, they have enough low time pilots, that experience brings the network since people we have flown with and even trained are now in positions at the majors, not sure your theory holds water!

Maybe, just maybe! The whole "working abroad" disadvantage is just a bunch of nonsense.
I guess Part 129 doesn't limit you as might as I thought. I saw a lot of guys coming back at the regionals straight from Emirates and thought the major's wants some current Part 121 time prior to applying. I know Kalitta doesn't seem to care one way or another for hiring so apply to your heart's content! Looking at other airline requirements I see I was mistaken about Part 129 affecting your chances at many airlines in the US. Fedex requires some time in the US before being considered, but this being a K4 thread that doesn't matter.
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