Kalitta Air (K4) Information
#1381
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Chief Pilot announced the loss of 4 NCA 747-400’s to Atlas. They are still looking for 4 replacements. DHL has the first 4 777’s in the que and an announcement as to who was awarded should be out this week. 767 training has been slowed below optimum due to a lack of available sim time.
Class size for the 747-400 has been reduced to a much more manageable 8 every 3 weeks and should continue for a while longer. If more aircraft are found (awarded) expect training to increase.
The short answer is that nobody really knows as there are too many things outside of the Companies control right now. It would be completely realistic to think upgrades will continue to go below 2 years, to upgrades going to 5-7-10 years. Please don’t make your decision to work at K4 based on upgrade. When I started in 2011 upgrade on the Classic was 1 year. We furloughed 5 months later.
Class size for the 747-400 has been reduced to a much more manageable 8 every 3 weeks and should continue for a while longer. If more aircraft are found (awarded) expect training to increase.
The short answer is that nobody really knows as there are too many things outside of the Companies control right now. It would be completely realistic to think upgrades will continue to go below 2 years, to upgrades going to 5-7-10 years. Please don’t make your decision to work at K4 based on upgrade. When I started in 2011 upgrade on the Classic was 1 year. We furloughed 5 months later.
I’ve seen cargo before. When things go south they get ugly very quickly for cargo.
#1382
That time I believe it was 6-8. There was an earlier furlough in 2008-09 that was much larger. However, nearly half of the FO list had a TBD (To Be Determined) furlough date next to their names for the next 12-14 months. And over the course of the next 18 months almost all of the Flight Engineers lost their jobs. For those of us in the lower half of the FO list or the bottom 1/4 of the captains list it was a very unsettling time. Remember the airline was much smaller then so as a percentage of the pilots there were a lot of us in jeopardy. Fortunately the economy improved, fuel prices decreased and Connie made some savvy moves and things turned around. Just like investments, past performance is no guaranty of future loss or gains.
#1383
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
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Chief Pilot announced the loss of 4 NCA 747-400’s to Atlas. They are still looking for 4 replacements. DHL has the first 4 777’s in the que and an announcement as to who was awarded should be out this week. 767 training has been slowed below optimum due to a lack of available sim time.
#1384
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 71
The irony of DHL being about to " award " brand new 777F's to the likes of Atlas , Polar , Southern and Kalitta while they and 1224 protest and plan strike action underlines the leverage that would seem to exist between DHL and any possible CMI operator. It wouldn't be the first time that the lowest and likeliest bid would not succeed. Put yourself in their shoes. Who deserves them ?
#1385
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Posts: 384
The irony of DHL being about to " award " brand new 777F's to the likes of Atlas , Polar , Southern and Kalitta while they and 1224 protest and plan strike action underlines the leverage that would seem to exist between DHL and any possible CMI operator. It wouldn't be the first time that the lowest and likeliest bid would not succeed. Put yourself in their shoes. Who deserves them ?
I only ask because Kalitta is not part of 1224 and what would we have to protest against right now?
#1386
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
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K4 could end up being the big winner here.
#1387
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
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The irony of DHL being about to " award " brand new 777F's to the likes of Atlas , Polar , Southern and Kalitta while they and 1224 protest and plan strike action underlines the leverage that would seem to exist between DHL and any possible CMI operator. It wouldn't be the first time that the lowest and likeliest bid would not succeed. Put yourself in their shoes. Who deserves them ?
Wait... We at K4 are protesting and planning strike action? Damn, you go home for 2 weeks and the whole place goes to hell and a hand basket!
#1388
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#1389
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#1390
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 578
The irony of DHL being about to " award " brand new 777F's to the likes of Atlas , Polar , Southern and Kalitta while they and 1224 protest and plan strike action underlines the leverage that would seem to exist between DHL and any possible CMI operator. It wouldn't be the first time that the lowest and likeliest bid would not succeed. Put yourself in their shoes. Who deserves them ?
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