Omni, Atlas, or Kalitta ?
08-10-2018, 08:31 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by sky jet
We don’t even have an ETOPS program and you guys think we are getting 777’s? I don’t think DHL/Turkish/? bought those things to go CVG to MSP. Do you really think this placeis capable of hiding table top exercises for ETOPS, maintenance and stores buildups, training department stand up and everything else that is required to bring on a new type? Somebody farts in ground school in YIP and 6 hours later it is all over the company and the world wide pilot rumor mill yet you are willing to suspend reality and believe we are SOON getting a new fleet type that requires FAA certification that takes massive effort and money to get? Ummm OK.
Slight correction we don't have ETOPS on the 767. Really not needed right now really. Last I checked the 400 has it. But what do I do know I spend most of my time in Texas!
08-10-2018, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BitterOHFO
Slight correction we don't have ETOPS on the 767. Really not needed right now really. Last I checked the 400 has it. But what do I do know I spend most of my time in Texas!
08-11-2018, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
The 777 rumor is the strongest one I've heard yet. However, even if Connie buys a 777, doesn't mean it will get used in our operations, the man is a legend in the aircraft financing world. Maybe he flips it? Maybe it's a start to a third fleet type?
I would not be surprised however to see 777's on property, based on where the rumors are coming from.
I would not be surprised however to see 777's on property, based on where the rumors are coming from.
Well we just signed a 5+ year contract with THY and they want bigger 4 engine lift and took steps to secure that for us / them.
08-11-2018, 05:23 AM
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The 400 does not have ETOPS as, ETOPS stands for Extended- range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards. K4 did apply for ETOPS on the B767 fleet. However at this time DHL has not asked us to fly any ETOPS routes where we demonstrate the performance needed and get certified. B777's come with the highest number of minutes from a diversion airport form the factory, and then when you operate them, after establishing a history you increase the distance from your diversion airport.
08-11-2018, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by The Baron
The 400 does not have ETOPS as, ETOPS stands for Extended- range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards. K4 did apply for ETOPS on the B767 fleet. However at this time DHL has not asked us to fly any ETOPS routes where we demonstrate the performance needed and get certified. B777's come with the highest number of minutes from a diversion airport form the factory, and then when you operate them, after establishing a history you increase the distance from your diversion airport.
.https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/120-42B.pdf
Or, simply known as Engines Turn Or People Swim. ETOPS is not required on 3-4 engine freighters. It is required for all twin engine 121 passenger ops beyond 60 minutes from an adequate airport and 180 minutes for 3-4 engines. I doubt Connie has it as it on the 747 as costs more for MX.
Southern was able to get 180 minute ETOPS straight out of the box in 2010 with the 777F. The 777F is limited to 180 minutes due to fire suppression limits in the belly compartments. Passenger 777s, 787s, 330s, 747s, 380s, etc can be approved for greater than 180 minutes due to the type of cargo they are limited to. There are 23 different 180 minute ETOPS areas around the planet. The oceans are obviously the biggest but there are a few small ones over remote land. Each area requires separate OpSpec approval and flying through it at least once in 6 months. ETOPS from a pilot standpoint is fairly simple. It’s more of a Dispatch/Maintenance thing.
Last edited by Birdsmash; 08-11-2018 at 06:43 AM.
08-11-2018, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by The Baron
The 400 does not have ETOPS as, ETOPS stands for Extended- range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards. K4 did apply for ETOPS on the B767 fleet. However at this time DHL has not asked us to fly any ETOPS routes where we demonstrate the performance needed and get certified. B777's come with the highest number of minutes from a diversion airport form the factory, and then when you operate them, after establishing a history you increase the distance from your diversion airport.
"Even though for continuity with current two-engine ETOPS the existing acronym ETOPS is retained, the ETOPS acronym has been re-defined. ETOPS has been expanded to include all passenger-carrying airplane operations where a proposed flight plan includes any point that is greater than 180 minutes from an adequate airport (at an approved one-engine inoperative cruise speed under standard conditions in still air)."
https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...ar/120-42B.pdf
edit ... OK. Birdsmash beat me to it by less than a minute!
08-11-2018, 06:47 AM
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Due to the redundancy built into the design of ETOPS capable aircraft and the increased MX requirements, there are less MX delays. When items are deferred they are usually fixed sooner. That is nice from a pilot standpoint.
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