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#31
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Kids, don't get a liberal arts degree!
#32
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89% of degrees are given in stuff you can get a job in, especially with the two year programs, however, what percentage of those graduates actually work in the industry they went to school for? Maybe half? Granted, an aerospace engineer will find work in HVAC, etc...
Kids, don't get a liberal arts degree!
Kids, don't get a liberal arts degree!
#33
89% of degrees are given in stuff you can get a job in, especially with the two year programs, however, what percentage of those graduates actually work in the industry they went to school for? Maybe half? Granted, an aerospace engineer will find work in HVAC, etc...
Kids, don't get a liberal arts degree!
Kids, don't get a liberal arts degree!
#34
Great advice. The pilots who do well follow this advice, get ahead of the process and take charge of their own training. By now you should know how you learn. If the program is not formatted in the way you learn best, ask lots of questions.
Please do not tell the instructors how stupid this or that is. Kalitta signs your paycheck so learn it and do it the Kalitta way. It is all about standardized procedures.
The instructor scripts for each lesson are posted online. Please do not try to memorize the script. UNDERSTAND the material. If you memorize the answers in systems, and don’t understand how it works that will become an obstical to your learning in the sim.
It matters more that you know that if you have a #4 demand pump inop and shut down the #4 engine that you will lose hydraulic pressure for the #4 system when you slow to flaps 10 speed. The windmilling engine cannot spin fast enough anymore to provide hydraulic pressure. This is not written anywhere but comes from understanding how hydraulic systems and pumps in all aircraft work.
Please do not tell the instructors how stupid this or that is. Kalitta signs your paycheck so learn it and do it the Kalitta way. It is all about standardized procedures.
The instructor scripts for each lesson are posted online. Please do not try to memorize the script. UNDERSTAND the material. If you memorize the answers in systems, and don’t understand how it works that will become an obstical to your learning in the sim.
It matters more that you know that if you have a #4 demand pump inop and shut down the #4 engine that you will lose hydraulic pressure for the #4 system when you slow to flaps 10 speed. The windmilling engine cannot spin fast enough anymore to provide hydraulic pressure. This is not written anywhere but comes from understanding how hydraulic systems and pumps in all aircraft work.
#35
Same. I wouldn't trade my education or the fun I had in undergrad or grad school. Sure, having one just checks a box on the application in many respects, but I think it does make for a more well-rounded individual.
#36
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Europeans don't get 4 year degrees, because they are useless for employment there. It's either masters, or a vocational school. UK is slightly different, but rest of Europe don't really do 4 year stuff.
#37
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True factoid...
I am an airline pilot (and, if I do say so myself, a somewhat successful one) because I sucked so bad at pre-law that I got the boot from my undergrad program. No degree for me. Not what I wanted, but what I got.
Although I think it enhances somebody's chances of getting the interview, I think we have quite a few years of panic hiring going on across the industry that will make the 4 year degree not such a big deal.
Another true factoid...
My dad was a WW2 vet. And a graduate of both Harvard Law and the Harvard Business School. His wealthiest Army buddy was a kid who never went to collage and instead was an apprentice plumber. Who started his own business and ended up being the prime plumbing contractor for the World Trade Center twin towers.
A career is what you make of it. The paper is just that. A piece of paper.
I am an airline pilot (and, if I do say so myself, a somewhat successful one) because I sucked so bad at pre-law that I got the boot from my undergrad program. No degree for me. Not what I wanted, but what I got.
Although I think it enhances somebody's chances of getting the interview, I think we have quite a few years of panic hiring going on across the industry that will make the 4 year degree not such a big deal.
Another true factoid...
My dad was a WW2 vet. And a graduate of both Harvard Law and the Harvard Business School. His wealthiest Army buddy was a kid who never went to collage and instead was an apprentice plumber. Who started his own business and ended up being the prime plumbing contractor for the World Trade Center twin towers.
A career is what you make of it. The paper is just that. A piece of paper.
#38
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Comparing WW2 times to now is so far out in left field. While you can absolutely have a successful adulthood without one, being an entrepreneur, inventor, etc, now a days having a Bachelors Degree is the ABSOLUTE minimum to be competitive. The mainstream kid joining the workforce is competing heavily against many others who have a Bachelors and beyond. Unless you want to become a professional trade person, having a degree is a must. Encouraging your kids to pursue anything other than this is simply irresponsible. Now, not all kids are college material, and that’s completely ok, but, they will need something “special” to otherwise succeed. At least to my definition of success which is obtaining a job that pays 6 figures (eventually).
#39
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I also did get a BS in an aviation related program that also included an A&P license which I can’t imagine being without now. In the course of my career a BS was always a minimum requirement for an airline job. I guess I wouldn’t stall my flying career in order to get a degree now when good flying jobs seem to be plentiful.
#40
Four year degree is basically paying money to be brainwashed into a leftist. Expensive piece of paper that is becoming less essential every day.
Europeans treat flight school as a degree program. Outside the USA, college is all core classes, the liberal arts bullcrap is left at the high school levels. Imagine, going to college to actually learn a profession?
Europeans treat flight school as a degree program. Outside the USA, college is all core classes, the liberal arts bullcrap is left at the high school levels. Imagine, going to college to actually learn a profession?
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