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Old 08-25-2018, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by coryk View Post
What about having the ability to be based overseas in Europe or Asia— a perk no other US airline provides, to soak in their culture and provide your family the opportunity experience a different park of the world.
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There are a number of US carriers where it is easy to live overseas...not the same as being based overseas, but a similar experience. And, of course, there are a lot of foreign carriers where you can live or be based overseas (or live in and/or be based in the US).
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Old 08-25-2018, 08:56 PM
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Uhhhh, yeah... about that. Maybe he was talking about the corporation as a whole, because that doesn't apply to our pilots. Sounds like both you and that Captain are still thinking lost decade and legacy bankruptcy contracts. According to the profile here on APC, AA's 757 12-year Captains are making $30/hour more than ours. Their 777 Captain rates are $36/hour higher.
Still a great job, but we gave up the top spot in pay a while ago and since most of our peers will already be on a follow-on contract by the time we sign our next, we ain't getting that back any time soon.

Does anyone know if they have any 12 year 757 Capts? and how long does it take to become a 777 Capt? Regardless, 70% plus of our flying is widebody vs 70% plus of theirs is narrow. I would still like to see their pay rate numbers on property though.
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Old 08-25-2018, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot View Post
I doubt that’s the case for their new hire engineers.

If anything, I could see UPS/FDX relaxing the TPIC requirements. They already have to some extent. I don’t see that happening with the 4 year degree requirement though.
Actually, the tech industry is moving away from 4-year degree requirements. They are realizing they are mostly a scam and have got nothing to do with how qualified you are to do your job. Especially with new hire positions.

You are saying UPS/FDX would lax requirements that actually are relevant to the pilots they want to hire, but would not budge with something completely irrelevant to them? We'll see about that.
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Old 08-26-2018, 02:27 AM
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Actually, the tech industry is moving away from 4-year degree requirements. They are realizing they are mostly a scam and have got nothing to do with how qualified you are to do your job. Especially with new hire positions.

You are saying UPS/FDX would lax requirements that actually are relevant to the pilots they want to hire, but would not budge with something completely irrelevant to them? We'll see about that.
Yes, because that is exactly what has been happening with the legacies.

I’d be interested to see a job posting from one of the “big five” tech companies for a new engineering grad position sans degree.
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Old 08-26-2018, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeDub View Post
Does anyone know if they have any 12 year 757 Capts? and how long does it take to become a 777 Capt? Regardless, 70% plus of our flying is widebody vs 70% plus of theirs is narrow. I would still like to see their pay rate numbers on property though.
I was commenting on the AA Captain’s statement (incorrect) and Postal’s acceptance of it as valid. That’s all.

If you want to try to justify pay rates that are $30+ per hour less because upgrades might be faster at FedEx for the moment or we have wider access to those lower WB rates have at it. That might make you feel better or be a valid check mark in our list of “pros”, but it doesn’t change the facts.

Pattern bargaining is pretty simple. Pay rates don’t get an asterisk next to them during negotiations because we have more pilots than airline X making those rates. The simple fact is AA Pilots (and Delta) are being paid significantly more per hour to operate the same aircraft we do. Do I want to work there? Absolutely not. But, I think it’s important for our own pilots to stop perpetuating the myth that we are still at the top in pay just because we got there by default during the lost decade.
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Old 08-26-2018, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
I was commenting on the AA Captain’s statement (incorrect) and Postal’s acceptance of it as valid. That’s all.

If you want to try to justify pay rates that are $30+ per hour less because upgrades might be faster at FedEx for the moment or we have wider access to those lower WB rates have at it. That might make you feel better or be a valid check mark in our list of “pros”, but it doesn’t change the facts.

Pattern bargaining is pretty simple. Pay rates don’t get an asterisk next to them during negotiations because we have more pilots than airline X making those rates. The simple fact is AA Pilots (and Delta) are being paid significantly more per hour to operate the same aircraft we do. Do I want to work there? Absolutely not. But, I think it’s important for our own pilots to stop perpetuating the myth that we are still at the top in pay just because we got there by default during the lost decade.
Please don't mistake my comments as an attempt to justify our relatively lower pay rates. Just pointing out that pay rates aren't everything when it comes to examining the career earnings potential of one company vs another. I would much rather have their pay rates on top of everything else we have going for us at FedEx and hope to accomplish just that or more in another decade or so when our contract is open for negotiations.
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Old 08-26-2018, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
Uhhhh, yeah... about that. Maybe he was talking about the corporation as a whole, because that doesn't apply to our pilots. Sounds like both you and that Captain are still thinking lost decade and legacy bankruptcy contracts. According to the profile here on APC, AA's 757 12-year Captains are making $30/hour more than ours. Their 777 Captain rates are $36/hour higher.
Still a great job, but we gave up the top spot in pay a while ago and since most of our peers will already be on a follow-on contract by the time we sign our next, we ain't getting that back any time soon.
Concur with all the above...I was just a little surprised at what the captain said...plus is was an S80 crew. Not exactly at the top of their pay scale.

I just smiled and thanked them both for the ride.
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Old 08-26-2018, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
I was commenting on the AA Captain’s statement (incorrect) and Postal’s acceptance of it as valid. That’s all.
For the record I never said I accepted the Captains statement as valid. Just simply pointed out what was said. The Magic of the Internet and individuals perceptions strikes again.
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Originally Posted by PostalAV8B View Post
For the record I never said I accepted the Captains statement as valid. Just simply pointed out what was said. The Magic of the Internet and individuals perceptions strikes again.
You pointed out what was said - I agree.
Followed immediately by a new sentence starting with “So” (which in this context equates to “therefore”)
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So yes the money is one aspect of purple.
This would lead any reader to take the information following “So” to be directly related and in agreemwnt with the statement prior to it. Nothing magic about it. It’s English.
But, that wasn’t what you meant and you clarified that now.
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Old 08-26-2018, 07:02 AM
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Top hourly rates are easily discernible....total compensation and average comp somewhat less so.
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