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Old 05-22-2019, 10:46 PM   #101  
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It's not rocket science....every airline is scrambling for pilots. You can't upgrade if you don't have the fo's to replace them. Just like ATI, Atlas etc 6 are scheduled for class 3 commit and 2 show up. They made the decision to hire and upgrade...too little too late sure....but here is the kicker....98.5 percent on time. Everything gets covered. Guys will [email protected] and moan and still show up and do it. As to who and when...ck the seniority list. When.....thru August.
No reason why eligible F/Os canít get their command with pay commensurate as appropriate. Gives good opportunity for the newly upgraded individual to start logging PIC.
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No reason why eligible F/Os canít get their command with pay commensurate as appropriate. Gives good opportunity for the newly upgraded individual to start logging PIC.
And when there seniority affords them the opportunity I am sure they will... .unfortunately I have flown with very few who are ready.
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And when there seniority affords them the opportunity I am sure they will... .unfortunately I have flown with very few who are ready.






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And when there seniority affords them the opportunity I am sure they will... .unfortunately I have flown with very few who are ready.
Shame the company won’t throw a bone to those who are ready. for their shot.

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Old 05-23-2019, 07:31 AM   #105  
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Shame that they company wonít throw a bone to those who are ready.


Iím sure there are plenty that are ready when their number comes up. But for some of the new hires itís still a ways out. Plenty of time to really focus. If you were living day by day at a company that presents itself with zero future...would you take it serious?

Iím sure BedtimeFr8 has a list of issues he would be willing to share. They paint a picture that the company straight up has zero ability or chance to attract good talent and has been doing that for decades.

I donít know what the company could do to make sure these FOs stop messing up on a daily basis. Thatís like 110 pilots. Maybe the company could revamp the training to better fit the needs of what the Captains want. Perhaps the job is being made overly complicated. Or perhaps check airmen want it done one way and line pilots want it another. But Fr8 brings up a good point, itís tough training and you continually have to keep learning.

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Iím sure there are plenty that are ready when their number comes up. But for some of the new hires itís still a ways out. Plenty of time to really focus. If you were living day by day at a company that presents itself with zero future...would you take it serious?

Iím sure BedtimeFr8 has a list of issues he would be willing to share. They paint a picture that the company straight up has zero ability or chance to attract good talent and has been doing that for decades.

I donít know what the company could do to make sure these FOs stop messing up on a daily basis. Thatís like 110 pilots. Maybe the company could revamp the training to better fit the needs of what the Captains want. Perhaps the job is being made overly complicated. Or perhaps check airmen want it done one way and line pilots want it another. But Fr8 brings up a good point, itís tough training and you continually have to keep learning.

You probably shouldnít come here...donít ever come here...and donít let me catch you here...ever. Lol


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Yes....the company should be teaching how to land in a crosswind and how to read a Jeppeson chart...that's usually where basic things like that are taught..the cockpit of a 767...how dare they!
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Attention ABX new hires awaiting class. The union just met with the company in negotiations for the first time in 6 months and reported there was NO progress from the last time they met. At this pace meeting only every 6 months you can see how long this will potentially take. Do yourself a favor and don't waste your time coming to an airline where you won't be appreciated.

There are no growth airplanes.
No end in sight to a contract despite what management may have told you. There is a reason 50% of those hired in the past 3 years quit. If you think I'm joking just ask anyone to see the list from a few years ago.

Team Sopie doesn't know how to get a deal and never will!
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Attention ABX new hires awaiting class. The union just met with the company in negotiations for the first time in 6 months and reported there was NO progress from the last time they met. At this pace meeting only every 6 months you can see how long this will potentially take. Do yourself a favor and don't waste your time coming to an airline where you won't be appreciated.

There are no growth airplanes.
No end in sight to a contract despite what management may have told you. There is a reason 50% of those hired in the past 3 years quit. If you think I'm joking just ask anyone to see the list from a few years ago.

Team Sopie doesn't know how to get a deal and never will!
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Plus Soapie has a record of destroying and shutting down airlines. Thatís what he did with Comair. Then he ended up in Southern Air, from where he was terminated by the Atlas upper management after the takeover. Soapie managed to destroy the morale at Southern by canceling vacations without any compensation. ABX Air under Team Soapie is dumpster fire.
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Another new hire FO was let go because of training problems! Stay away and not get your record marked!
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Another new hire FO was let go because of training problems! Stay away and not get your record marked!
The individual might have been let go because of their shortcomings during training not because the training department is incompetent. You should be saying to stay away if you donít possess the knowledge, skills or the willingness to learn.
The check airman are not management and try their best to get people through.
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