dogo

A voice of reason. Besides, who wants to risk a training failure on your record?

MarkThyme

That's the one you're going with?

This is not the bad old days of the "Aryan Brotherhood". You don't risk a training failure at ABX any more than you do elsewhere.

Well, OK - I guess that's not entirely true. There are places out there so desperate to fill a seat that they'll pull, push, and contort themselves in any way necessary to make that happen. I think most of us in the industry (and the traveling public, if they knew it was going on) would argue that that is not ideal. Based on some of the stories I've heard coming out of training, I have real concerns about flying as a passenger on a regional airline.

Let's put it this way: If you're concerned about a training failure at a place like ABX, maybe consider a career change, or at least spend some time developing your skills to the point where it's no longer a concern.

dogo

Agreed...just resign before the bust. That tactic was recently applied after a candidate with 60+ OE hours, and no sign off in sight quit and went to Atlas.

MarkThyme

Which is why the PRIA is a worthless waste of everybody's time. The best you can hope for is that quit-before-failures won't get hired anywhere else. But for the reasons previously stated, and as you just pointed out, it doesn't work that way in real life.

goinaround

I no longer work at ABX....but the training was excellent. If you wash out there....you just aren't cut out for the industry.

forrealyall

If he's truly that bad isn't he just going to bust out at Atlas?

I would assume that they continue to pay you while you're in OE, even if you're taking a bit longer than usual. I would also assume that absent a huge infraction, the gentleman's agreement of you resign before I bust you would prevail? So you wouldn't really risk a failure exactly- you'd have a heads up before that happens, but you do get paid to drag it out a bit while you wait on a class date elsewhere.

Perhaps that was the plan all along?

veewan

From the sound of the rumors coming out of the Atlas crash, maybe some people need to wash out.

Let's just say word on the street is likely pilot error and the pilot's training records were bad... they just got pushed through.

I guess now we wait for the NTSB report to either confirm or deny the rumors.

Grundt

This post is pretty inappropriate, even for APC.

veewan

Have you read the forum about the crash, both here and Pprune? Over on Pprune there's a narrative:

https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...l#post10425322

"The initial bobble is from turbulence at 6200’. When the FO called for flaps 1, the captain accidentally hit the toga button. Toga didn’t engage until after flaps were set to 1, which then brought engine power to full, and started the initial pitch of 10 degrees nose up. The FO was startled, and shoved the nose forward... The CVR is startling, and baffling. The CA was pulling so hard against the FO that he sheared the pins on the stick and at that point had no control. They were IMC at the time. When they broke out into VMC, the FO said oh schit and started to pull. That was the round out you see. I won’t get into anything more until everything comes out. The records, the CVR, and what happened in the flight deck is truly shocking. They hit a negative 4 G dive initialy on the FOs push. All you hear is stuff hitting the ceiling and at one point a loud thud. They think the thud may have been the JS hitting the ceiling and maybe not wearing the shoulder harness. Like I said, I won’t get into anything more about the background of how it all happened. This is the accident in a nutshell. The facts that will come out are shocking."

Did you see the NTSB's initial statement that it was control column input? Sounds like this is accurate. The question is why?

So you can think it's inappropriate, but if the NTSB report comes back with the cause as pilot error and the PF's training records show that he was pushed through training to the line will that change your mind?

Makinitup

Maybe not. He already has 8 fixed base sim sessions and at least 7 full motion sim sessions along with 60 hours of recent experience (IOE). Now add on top of that all the sims and IOE time from Atlas and you talking well over 100 hours. Might start catching on by then.

PRIA reports take time to finally end up with the new employer and not everyone has a pilot pool these days to put people in while they wait for the report. So unfortunately some are entering training based solely on what they provided during the interview.