ABX washing out new hires..
03-22-2019, 05:33 AM
#81
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Originally Posted by veewan
Have you read the forum about the crash, both here and Pprune? Over on Pprune there's a narrative:
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...l#post10425322
"The initial bobble is from turbulence at 6200’. When the FO called for flaps 1, the captain accidentally hit the toga button. Toga didn’t engage until after flaps were set to 1, which then brought engine power to full, and started the initial pitch of 10 degrees nose up. The FO was startled, and shoved the nose forward... The CVR is startling, and baffling. The CA was pulling so hard against the FO that he sheared the pins on the stick and at that point had no control. They were IMC at the time. When they broke out into VMC, the FO said oh schit and started to pull. That was the round out you see. I won’t get into anything more until everything comes out. The records, the CVR, and what happened in the flight deck is truly shocking. They hit a negative 4 G dive initialy on the FOs push. All you hear is stuff hitting the ceiling and at one point a loud thud. They think the thud may have been the JS hitting the ceiling and maybe not wearing the shoulder harness. Like I said, I won’t get into anything more about the background of how it all happened. This is the accident in a nutshell. The facts that will come out are shocking."
Did you see the NTSB's initial statement that it was control column input? Sounds like this is accurate. The question is why?
So you can think it's inappropriate, but if the NTSB report comes back with the cause as pilot error and the PF's training records show that he was pushed through training to the line will that change your mind?
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...l#post10425322
"The initial bobble is from turbulence at 6200’. When the FO called for flaps 1, the captain accidentally hit the toga button. Toga didn’t engage until after flaps were set to 1, which then brought engine power to full, and started the initial pitch of 10 degrees nose up. The FO was startled, and shoved the nose forward... The CVR is startling, and baffling. The CA was pulling so hard against the FO that he sheared the pins on the stick and at that point had no control. They were IMC at the time. When they broke out into VMC, the FO said oh schit and started to pull. That was the round out you see. I won’t get into anything more until everything comes out. The records, the CVR, and what happened in the flight deck is truly shocking. They hit a negative 4 G dive initialy on the FOs push. All you hear is stuff hitting the ceiling and at one point a loud thud. They think the thud may have been the JS hitting the ceiling and maybe not wearing the shoulder harness. Like I said, I won’t get into anything more about the background of how it all happened. This is the accident in a nutshell. The facts that will come out are shocking."
Did you see the NTSB's initial statement that it was control column input? Sounds like this is accurate. The question is why?
So you can think it's inappropriate, but if the NTSB report comes back with the cause as pilot error and the PF's training records show that he was pushed through training to the line will that change your mind?
03-25-2019, 09:53 PM
#84
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Originally Posted by 4runner
Facts are inappropriate in this day and age. Feelings are what matter and that triggered me as well.
Indeed facts are inappropriate in this day and age, hence we have crazy ideas like vaccines causing autism.
03-26-2019, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 4runner
Facts are inappropriate in this day and age. Feelings are what matter and that triggered me as well.
03-27-2019, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Grundt
Wait...you're relying on some post on the internet and calling it fact? I'm the one saying wait for the facts to come out from the investigation through official channels, and that keyboard commandos spewing this crap on the internet is inappropriate. IF the internet post is correct, then there are some major, major problems that must be dealt with. I am neither triggered nor unwilling to face facts. How we approach the issue during the course of the investigation matters.
From what I've heard the post on the internet is spot on with what the NTSB's best theory is. Obviously I'll believe it when it's in a NTSB released document, but it does have a possible explanation for why a crew might have made "control column input." That was the verbiage in the first NTSB release on March 12th... they changed it sometime afternoon to "nose-down elevator deflection."
The only reason I think the NTSB changed the wording is to suggest it was not intentional (suicide). It's still possible that they meant something broke and commanded the elevator, but that's a rather bad typo considering the initial wording.
03-27-2019, 09:30 AM
#88
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
So... Why is this on an ABX thread, particularly this one which seems the original intent was to scare away weak pilots?
50% quit several have even returned to their old employer.
New hire pilots told for 3 years a new contract is just around the corner!
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